Posted: 8:30 pm Saturday, August 30th, 2014

Jimmy Carter: No peace without justice for Palestinians 

By Jim Galloway

Former President Jimmy Carter during an interview in Plains. Curtis Compton, ccompton@ajc.com

Former President Jimmy Carter during an interview in Plains. Curtis Compton, ccompton@ajc.com

As advertised, former President Jimmy Carter on Saturday addressed the Islamic Society of North America, the largest Muslim organization in this part of the world. From the Detroit News:

“You can’t bring peace to the Middle East without justice and human rights for the Palestinians,” Carter told a packed hall at Cobo Center. “When my prayers are answered and we have peace in that Holy Land then the Israelis and all their neighbors will be blessed to live in peace and prosperity.”

Carter spoke mainly about preventing violence against women and girls, encouraging all present to fight for equal rights for both sexes.

“One thing that all men can do is to be sure that you treat your wife as you would like to be treated yourself,” Carter said, amid cheers. “My hope is all Christians, all Muslims, all people of other faiths, even those who don’t have one, will join in this crusade to end the plight of our wives, our sisters, our daughters.”

He spoke at length about prostitution, rape on college campuses, female genital mutilation and parents in some countries strangling their daughters because they want to have sons. The audience of men, women and children were rapt and responded with applause when he quoted verses from the Quran and the Bible illustrating the equality of the sexes.

211 comments
Mustang100
Mustang100

Yes, like a 'peace' treaty brokered with an Arab terrorist leader dedicated to the eradication of the other signatory nation was realistically going to work?

Also, nice to see all the Liberals on here showing their party's true colors of non-racism and acceptance of free speech (as long as one agrees with them), no anti-Semitic Democrats around here

notagain
notagain

Christians,muslims,people of other faiths,even ones without one.Do all these different faiths worship the same God? Just have different ways of worship or do we/they have different Gods?

Chris30338
Chris30338

Carter's right. By not accepting an equatable two-state solution, Israel will never have peace with the Palestinians or it's neighbors. The right-wing here and in Israel would like nothing better than condemn the Palestinians to a permanent "Untermench" category by living in a mythical Utopia where Palestinians do not exist and Israeli Arabs are second class citizens. By denying the two-state solution, Israel's only option is to become (as some have argued it already has become) a full fledged Apartheid state to maintain Jewish rule in Israel since Palestinians and Israeli Arabs already outnumber Jews in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank combined. 

The question is: Will the world accept that? I doubt it. Even the United States with it's all powerful Jewish Lobby may have problems swallowing that.


MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Both paragraphs, below, are from the link in the article, above:

"We continue to meet with the people in the Middle East to bring peace and justice to the people,” said Carter.

He said the Carter Center meets with parties that the U.S. Government or the U.N. won’t negotiate with. He said the goal has always been for Israel to withdraw from all occupied territories.

A one state solution “would be a very serious catastrophe,” he said.

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"The audience of men, women and children were rapt and responded with applause when he quoted verses from the Quran and the Bible illustrating the equality of the sexes.

“Men and women are created equally from one soul,” Carter said. “If you were taught by your parents or you believe you’re superior to your wife just because you’re a man, Allah says your wrong."



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140830/METRO01/308300048#ixzz3C731xnG3


notagain
notagain

Where did the Jews live before taking other peoples land?Just asking.

Bernie31
Bernie31

Never In The History Of The United States has a Political Party devoted all of its efforts to the destruction of the Presidency at any cost to the American People.

We can NOT in good conscious Reward them with our Votes in November.

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

Relevant to this topic is yesterday's news that Israel has seized 1000 acres from 5 Palestinian villages to build new settlements in response to the recent abduction and murder of the 3 Israeli teens...which a senior Hamas official has proudly claimed as his actions.  Oy vey, Lord, oy vey. Will this never stop??

JohnBoy10
JohnBoy10

He can break ranks with the multitude of politicians blindly supporting Israel...hes not beholden to anyone and can speak the truth as he sees it. Respect...

notagain
notagain

Jimmy's not the type to be bitter.He calls it as he sees it.

longmemories
longmemories

4 years of Jimmy and 49 states slammed him in the next election which he is still bitter about.  Jason is a more reasonable guy but he would do well to muzzle grandpa.

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

Jimmy Carter speaking to Muslims about protecting women's rights is like Neville Chamberlain telling the British people they can trust Hitler to not invade the UK, Carter needs to stick to raising money from his liberal friends for his Grandson Jason "Empty Suit " Carter, at least he can lie without the press knowing about it.

Chris30338
Chris30338

@Mustang100 Look at Israel's founders. Almost everyone of them was considered a vicious terrorist by the British. They people took hostages, killed hostages, blew up civilians and did what terrorists do. Anti-Semitic??? The Palestinians are just as Semitic as the Jews. First look up the definition of a Semite before throwing that charge around. And considering the many Jews that oppose the policies of the right-wing government in Israel, the charge of antisemitism is an interesting and hypocritical one.   

honested
honested

@Chris30338 

The very simple truth that so many Americans (you know, the Country that is paying the bills) refuse to accept!!

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@notagain You surely know the answer to that one. The destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem took place in 70 A.D., and the Diaspora of the Jewish people followed to all corners of the earth. And if you look at world history, "peoples' land" was always being taken by someone more powerful. First one world empire conquered a country, then another world empire conquered it, then another, then another. In the Middle East, there was the Babylonian Empire, then the Assyrian Empire...back and back it went, millennia upon millennia.


In this case, after World War Two and the Holocaust, it was the British Empire which decided to settle the Jewish survivors there. Blame England, not the Jews, for displacing the Arab inhabitants.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@notagain - Yer mean the same way the Early Taliban from England called the Puritans, took the land and Killed the American Indians and told that LIE THEY DISCOVERED AMERICA? 

Now your peoples want to deny another group Of American People from South America entrance to a Land, whose forefathers once roamed freely in and Now they are called Illegal Aliens?

uh...huh


lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

@Bernie31 


I think a lot of it is due to the conservative white males penis envy of black men.

EdUktr
EdUktr

@Bernie31

Turns out there's already not much hope for Democrat candidates. But you're certainly right about Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@OriginalProf - Pile on much?  uh..huh  WOW! They in turn would respond ...How many Rockets one must sustain and endure before before protecting themselves? 

Personally,  I do not always agree with their Governments policy. As I do not agree Always with U.S. policy. However A Governments policy and its People must be viewed separately and in context.

Do you not agree?

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@OriginalProf


These words, by Elizabeth Barrett Browning, were used by author Josephus Daniels, in his biography, "The Life of Woodrow Wilson," to describe the voting down by the U. S. Senate to have the United States join the peace-loving nations of the world in support of Wilson's "League of Nations," are relevant to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, also:


"But he stood sad before the sun

 (The peoples felt their fate).

'The world is many - I am one:

   My great deed was too great.

God's fruit of justice ripens slow:

Men's souls are narrow;  let them grow.

   My brothers, we must wait.' "

Bernie31
Bernie31

@longmemories - This is EXACTLY what is Wrong with The STUPID PARTY - aka The GOP aka "Gee OH PEE" and their Supporters. 

Always wanting to Put a "MUZZLE" on some American expressing their First Amendment Constitutional Right of Free Speech.

Yer did it to MS. Tisdale with Yer Armed Goon A couple of Weeks ago...and its going to Cost You DUMMIES more than Yer Know or Realize!

The So Called Freedom Party aka Republicans is not About SO Much Freedom UDDER than THEIR OWN!

What is Wrong with Your People's thinking?

Uh...huh

DS
DS

It's encouraging that at least a few Republicans are willing to swallow their pride and admit that Medicaid expansion would save hospitals, save jobs, and save lives. Strong voter support helps too. No downside, really.

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@Bernie31 "We're terrified people will like it, and then we'll all look like idiots."

Absolutely.  Everywhere it's been fully implemented, including in Southern states, it's been a big success.  The ONLY reason that Repubs oppose it is because it was the significant accomplishment of one of Those People.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@Infraredguy - “Smart boy, got a mind like a steel trap – full of mice” - Foghorn Leghorn

Bernie31
Bernie31

@Infraredguy  - And What Great Thing have you Contributed to America?, The World?, and The Many Communities in America?, Like President Jimmy Carter? 

Take yer Time, We will wait fer yer list of many accomplishments?

(Crickets Singing)

Typical Republican Dirt Bag...

uh...huh

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@MaryElizabethSings Thanks Mary Elizabeth.

Just to rif off a part of your comments:

Part of my ancestry is Lakota Sioux.  It may be entirely an invention of Hollywood, but I always liked the thought that after they would kill an animal for food, they would take time to thank its spirit for giving them sustenance, and life.

Astropig
Astropig

@OriginalProf 

Before the founding of the Jewish state,the Haganah carried out "terrorist" operations in the same lands,in much the same way as Hamas in our own day.The Israelis are a prime example of realpolitik. They control (through force of arms) their own territory. Their security as a sovereign state depends on being stronger militarily than the people that would destroy them. Nothing else matters.All of this blather about "justice", and all the rest is a lot of shuck and jive in a region that lives by the code of power,revenge and opportunism.It's been going on since (literally) God was a baby,and will go on for a millennia after these words are written.You're crazy to think otherwise.

honested
honested

@OriginalProf 

And, since 1969, blame the United States for funding the confiscations without asking any questions.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@OriginalProf 

And, the European Americans certainly "took over the land" of the Native Americans, because they were more powerful and could do so.  Just another example of the powerful taking dominance over others.  This basically immoral human tendency was tried to be offset by President Woodrow Wilson when he attempted to establish the League of Nations.  Having studied many of President Obama's speeches and having observed his decisions over the course of his presidency, I believe he, also, is trying to redirect this destructive tendency in human beings of power to more humanitarian and egalitarian ends.

lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

@EdUktr 


why do conservative white males suffer from penis envy of black men?

Bernie31
Bernie31

@EdUktr - May I flush now?  ...Yer startin ta Stink up de Place!

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@Bernie31 P.S. As to your astute point about viewing Israel's "government policy" (resettlement) separately from its people (the Jews), yes, of course. And we shouldn't forget that there is an increasingly vocal Jewish criticism of "government policy" in Israel. Many who favor peace with the Arabs in Palestine don't like this latest seizure of private Palestinian property by the state.


However...undeniably Hamas began all this by abducting and killing those Israeli teen-agers.

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@Bernie31 Yes, I agree that the incessant rocketing of Israel by Gaza was intolerable... that the statement by Gaza that they will not allow Israel to exist is intolerable. Of course Israel is going to continue fighting for its existence.  Having a dwelling-place again after about 2000 years, Israel is not likely to give it up.


But how it conducts that fight is all-important. Israel must fight with justice, allowing the Arabian Palestinians in Gaza to co-exist with it peacefully. This latest attempt to annex land seems like a unilateral and unnecessary provocation...and I suspect there's some Israeli politics behind it too.  Netanyahu increasingly has Israeli critics of his resettlement policies.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@DS - Sadly, The Stupid Party of Georgia - aka Ga -GOP! 

They JEST don't GIT IT!


MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@CherokeeCounty 


Those thoughts are exactly what I was writing about, Cherokee County, in my link. My spiritual thoughts have come from my own exploration of spiritual consciousness, of over 60 years of concentrated thought and readings all of my life in that realm of existence, rather than from any specific readings I recall.  My great grandfather was an ordained minister, as was his father, as well as his grandfather.  The insights I have shared, in my link above, are organic to my own understanding of what the deeper, spiritual existence entails, springing naturally, I believe, through my bloodline.  I have had these thoughts as early as age 9.  It is my hope and prayer than Israelis and Palestinians, as well as all other peoples on Earth, will see with spiritual eyes that we are more connected in communion with all life, than we are different.  Thus, a spiritual healing of mind and soul, and a forgiveness of oneself and of all others, showered upon all humanity, as the rain showers the Earth with renewed (spiritual) life.  


OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@Astropig @OriginalProf ...I mean "treating the Arab Palestinians with justice" either by allowing them to have rights while remaining part of Palestine, or by allowing the two partitioned states. As it is now, Israel seems stuck in a pattern whereby there will be endless violence and revenge for that violence.
 

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@Astropig @OriginalProf  But treating the Arab Palestinians with justice--allowing them equal citizen rights with the Israelis in Palestine, equal rights in courts--would have very practical advantages for the Israelis, for it would co-opt the Arabs into the general population. The Arabs there are not going away any more than the Jews are going away. Co-opting can be a part of realpolitik too.

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@MaryElizabethSings 

My great grandfather was an ordained minister, as was his father, as well as his grandfather.

My background wasn't quite so sterling :)

One great uncle was involved in the KKK, as a result of the coal companies effort to bring black families from the south, to Iowa, to work in the coal mines.

A second uncle lost his eye while making 'shine in a shed outside his home.

So you come from better stock than I do :)

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@CherokeeCounty


Please don't misunderstand what I have written, CherokeeCounty.  What I meant by disclosing my deceased relatives' backgrounds was not to present myself or my relatives as "better" but to delve into the mystical with you (and with others who may read my thoughts) by exploring how we each "see" the world, somewhat differently, and to understand that that can be a result of our genes as much as because of our experiences.  Such is the mystery of life and of God's hand in our lives. (Only at 71, have I lost caring about surface perceptions by others of my intent; I now only want to share as deep an understanding as I can muster). We all have slightly different perceptions of reality as I have found.  Artists generally see matters of life and death more piercingly than do CEOs and business types.  And, so do some ministers, who are true to the spirit and not full of Earthly vanities.  That is why both the artist and the prophet are seen to be otherworldly.  Read the link below, Cherokee County, and you will understand from where I come, in a deeper way.  I thank you for revealing yourself so truthfully to me, which shows a level of trust that is appreciated.  Likewise, I have revealed to you about myself - not for any superficial reason to be "better" - but to be honest, in as deep as way as is possible for me, because I wanted to give you the "gift" of seeing me in a more profound way because you have been so supportive of me (as has Kamchak). My gift to you, both, was to dive as deeply as I could into who I am because of what I have inherited genetically (which, to me, is part of the mystery of life).  I believe that the line between the living and the dead is a fragile line.  My great-grandfather visited me in a dream before my first cousin, a woman minister, gave the sermon on a mountain (the first woman to have done so) about 4 years ago.  What my great-grandfather revealed to me in that dream was part the sermon that my cousin gave the next day.  This is totally true.  He may have inspired her sermon, in fact, in ways mystical more than logical, on the other side. I felt a strange need to tell her of my dream just before she got up to give her sermon, and she looked at me in awe, saying, "Mary Elizabeth, that is the heart of the sermon I am about to give."  We both knew that something profoundly spiritual and mystical had happened. (Btw, on the other side of my family, my great-grandfather - at one point in the Great Depression - had survived for his family as a bootlegger. ;-) )  I am far beyond in my journey from judging others in terms of "better" or "worse" families.  I truly see everyone on this planet as a unique soul, equal to every other soul (from King to Beggar) - only each different from every other soul, also, in glory to God's magnificent creation, full of splendid variations of all kinds of life, but all full of life, through the spark or divinity of love.  Read this, Cherokee County.  I think you will enjoy it.  One day, I hope to meet you.  http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/critique-of-the-1986-argentine-film-man-facing-southeast/

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@MaryElizabethSings Thanks Mary Elizabeth - Nah I knew you weren't bragging - my family's checkered background is something we joke about quite a bit.