Posted: 10:18 am Friday, August 22nd, 2014

Michelle Nunn says she’s not a sure vote for Harry Reid 

By Jim Galloway and Daniel Malloy

U.S. Senate candidates Michelle Nunn and David Perdue participate in a debate sponsored by the Georgia Chamber at the Marriott City Center in Macon on Thursday. Retired newsman John Pruitt, center, moderated the debate. Kent D. Johnson, kdjohnson@ajc.com

U.S. Senate candidates Michelle Nunn and David Perdue participate in a debate sponsored by the Georgia Chamber at the Marriott City Center in Macon on Thursday. Retired newsman John Pruitt, center, moderated the debate. Kent D. Johnson, kdjohnson@ajc.com

Details of Thursday’s U.S. Senate comparison shopping opportunity that saw Democrat Michelle Nunn and David Perdue square off can be found here.

But the juiciest bit of news may have come shortly after the Georgia Chamber event, when Nunn served notice to her fellow Democrats that she wasn’t a sure vote for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., to keep his job — should her party keep control of that chamber in November.

Said Nunn:

“I look forward to changing the composition in the leadership of the Senate. The way that we’re going to change Washington is to bring more people to recognize – to have the humility to recognize – that there are good ideas on both sides of the aisle…

“I will vote for the Democratic leader that I think best represents our capacity to get things done and move things forward. …”

Your daily jolt on politics from the AJC's Political insider blogDuring a rowdy Republican primary, Perdue was a prominent vote of no confidence for Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and his future bid to lead Senate Republicans. But Nunn argued that, immediately after the July 20 primary runoff, Perdue went to Washington, met with McConnell and “pledged to be a good team player.” (The source for said observation: Sen. Saxby Chambliss, who was in the meeting.)

Said Nunn: “The only team I’m playing for here is Georgia.”

The Reid issue is an ideological benchmark on the Republican side. The only sharp attack that Perdue leveled at Nunn on Thursday (without any mention of her name) was this:

“This race is very simple. If you like what’s going on in Washington, then vote for my opponent. Because you know she’ll be nothing more than a proxy for Harry Reid and Barrack Obama. And nothing will change.”

But in the case of Reid and McConnell, it’s worth pointing out that Georgia’s rookie senator would not necessarily have a choice — there are no expected challenges to the leaders’ perches.

Other notes:

– Both candidates had carefully prepared opening remarks. This was the heart of Perdue’s introduction:

“If you look at the debt that we have today, $18 trillion almost. But that’s not the worst of it. What we’re not talking about is another $86 trillion coming at us in future unfunded liability. The total is over $100 trillion. That’s $1 million for every household in our country. It’s the greatest threat to our national security and our very way of life.”

But Perdue never mentioned the name of Chambliss, who just a year earlier stood on the same stage and accepted the Chamber’s applause for his bipartisan approach to federal debt reduction — a fact that was left for Nunn to point out later in the proceedings.

The format of the event was such that candidates could determine for themselves how lively the event would be. For her part, Nunn quickly served notice that she would be on the attack — with this segue that took her from a volunteer-oriented biography to a shot at Perdue’s temperament, and that of Washington:

“Like you, I’ve sat through lots of business meetings and church meetings and PTA meetings, and people don’t always get along. And y’all know that. But I’ll tell you, they keep at it. They don’t walk out. They don’t shut down. They keep going, and they solve real problems.”

– In a discussion of military spending and the protection of Georgia bases, Perdue waxed downright poetic:

“During the Cuban missile crisis, I was riding my bike after football practice, and listening and watching. About every four or five minutes, a KC-135 tanker or a B-52 took off, going to do the racetrack route around Cuba.”

It’s always important to find that first good line for your autobiography. Nunn, meanwhile, used the opportunity to make her sole reference to her dad:

“Not to brag, but there was never a base closure during his 24 years in the Senate. And that’s not a coincidence.”

But Nunn then took a more serious turn, which her campaign spinners would later highlight:

“The government shutdown, which David said that he was for, furloughed 4,000 folks here at Robins. So we need to work together to preserve and protect our military bases and, in a broader sense, our military capacity as a nation.”

Moderator John Pruitt, the former Channel 2 Action News anchor, offered Perdue time for a rebuttal. Perdue said none was necessary:

“I think that speaks for itself. The situation we had in Washington was over Obamacare. What I was saying was that we cannot default on our interest payments. This was one of the things that was sacrosanct.”

Lost in the chatter of the Perdue-Nunn meeting was the fact that the Georgia Chamber on Thursday essentially endorsed Republican incumbent Nathan Deal in the race for governor. The fact of the endorsement was no surprise, but the timing was. Jason Carter was not in the house, but it’s hard to say whether his presence would have mitigated this glowing introduction from Ernest Greer, vice president of the Chamber:

“We Georgians love people who exude hard work and industry. And for what this governor has done for this state, in bringing focus to what we are doing as a community and as a state, and our cities – we owe it to our governor that he spends another four years in office.”

Deal never mentioned Carter name, but did reference his Democratic opponent’s criticism that the state Department of Economic Development had become a shelter for political appointees. Said Deal:

“Despite what some would say, these are professionals. They don’t just go to ribbon-cuttings. They work extremely hard to make the ribbon-cuttings possible.”

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Bookmark this page: Our crack web staff is compiling polling, fundraising and race projections for the Senate and governor’s races here.

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Here’s the ad you’ll be seeing a lot of in the Atlanta area for the next couple weeks: Emily’s List attacking David Perdue for a gender discrimination lawsuit against Dollar General. It’s got a cool $1 million behind it.

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Pentagon brass on Thursday seemed to nudge President Barack Obama toward widening the mission in Iraq after the beheading of American journalist James Foley. From the Washington Post:

Islamic State cannot be defeated without addressing “both sides of what is essentially at this point a nonexistent border” between Iraq and Syria, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Thursday. …

A senior Defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity following the news conference, said that no decision has been made to expand airstrikes into Syria, and the White House has not requested any new military options.

Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss, the vice chair of the Intelligence Committee and most certainly a hawk, then went on CNN to lay out the ISIL threat in dark terms:

“This is not going to stop in Baghdad if we don’t stop ISIL now. This is going to continue on to American soil eventually. The time to stop it is now. The place to stop it is on the ground in Iraq.”

Chambliss believes his prescription for wider airstrikes — no U.S. boots on the ground, still — can be done without a new war authorization from Congress, which would be hard to come by:

“The president has the authority under the Constitution to defend Americans. And we have Americans on the ground in Iraq who are threatened by ISIL. I think he can probably take as much action as he thought necessary to protect those Americans that are on the ground. But I will tell you also I would look forward to a debate in the U.S. Senate on this issue.”

On WABE-FM 90.1, Chambliss spoke with Denis O’Hayer on ISIL and also war materiel going to local police departments. He took a similar position to Obama, that the policy needs a review:

“I think if we are going to give it to ‘em then it just makes sense that they’ve got to be trained. That’s pretty sophisticated equipment. It’s MRAPs and other vehicles are not the run-of-the-mill type of vehicles that are used in any type of police activity.

“I don’t know that it’s too easy to access it, but I do think that we definitely need to review the policy and we need to make sure that if local law enforcement are going to receive the equipment, they get the training.”

Chambliss said the National Guard could provide this training, and he did not think Congress should pass Rep. Hank Johnson’s bill to limit the equipment transfers. Or any bill:

“Congress tends to sort of mess things up when we get involved in the weeds and in the details of something like that. And I don’t mean to be dodging it, but I just think the right kind of relationship between the Department of Defense, the National Guard and local law enforcement agencies can solve this problem.”

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We noted this week that Democrat Jason Carter’s campaign committee was missing any close allies of Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, who has been fairly cool to a Carter candidacy. Reed spokeswoman Melissa Mullinax reiterated to our AJC colleague Katie Leslie that Reed is all about Michelle Nunn this year — but those efforts will help Carter by extension:

“Senator Carter’s campaign committee is a solid list of Democrats from across the state and the Mayor wishes them well. The Mayor is focused on running the capital city of the state and delivering concrete results for the people of Atlanta. Mayor Reed did not seek, nor was he asked, to participate on Senator Carter’s campaign committee.  But reporters like to dabble in political intrigue, so some may continue their efforts to create drama where none exists.

“The Mayor has said since January that his focus this year would be on helping Michelle Nunn win the open Senate seat, which he thinks is essential for Democrats to maintain their majority in the United States Senate. And I think you’ll see that anything Mayor Reed does for Michelle will accrue to the benefit of the statewide ticket.

“The path to victory for any statewide Democrat requires an intensive, ground campaign focused on registering, communicating with and turning out 600,000 to 900,000 new minority voters.”

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The National Republican Congressional Committee sees John Barrow’s dog and raises him … a monkey.

Its new ad features a female narrator with a monkey on her shoulder, discussing an oft-lampooned use of federal money: a study on the effects of cocaine on monkeys. It came from the 2009 stimulus law, which was also the year when the ad points out Barrow voted 85 percent of the time for Obama-endorsed bills.

As factcheck.org noted the other day, Barrow’s support for Obama’s position has since plummeted. It was 29.5 percent in 2012 and 35 percent in 2013. Politifact tackled the monkey issue in 2012, ruling that the study was not in the stimulus bill itself, though NIH used some of the pot of scientific research funds for it as a way to test drug addiction without using human subjects.

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We told you Thursday about the AFL-CIO’s election endorsements, pointing out that all of its favored candidates were Democrats. This came from an initial news release of statewide offices and U.S. House candidates, but this morning the union coalition revised and extended its remarks, putting out a full list that included state legislative races — and a couple of Republicans.

State Sen. Josh McKoon, R-Columbus, who has an opponent; and state Rep. Bill Hitchens, R-Rincon, who does not, are Georgia AFL-CIO approved this fall.

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Your fun 2016 read of the day via the Washington Post: Rand Paul goes to Guatemala to do eye surgeries, followed by reporters, cameras and a bodyguard named Axel. Vaya con Dios.

309 comments
Bill OrvisWhite
Bill OrvisWhite

If she's elected, then freedom ends in 2015. There's no doubt that Mrs. Martin would get in bed with Hairy Read thereby rubber stamping "his" radical leftist agenda which includes expanding ObamaCare. Me and millions of others fear if the US Senate stays Democrat in 2015, then there is NO doubt that they will force the states to accept the illegal, job-killing ObamaCare down their peoples' throats. Hairy Read will also make states accept Mediscare expansion which will NO DOUBT bankrupt the states. I

THIS IS WHY I PROPOSE THE SOUTHERN COALITION OF THE UNITED STATES, FOLKS!!!!!!!!

GOOD NIGHT!

Amen,

Bill 

Kel75
Kel75

Does Ms. Nunn have anyone but women who are victims supporting her? Every single ad is some poor woman who needs Michelle to HELP her.    



CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

New WSB poll. Michelle is expanding her lead,,, up 47% to 40%.

I'm sure Ed just hasn't gotten around to posting that, yet....

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Decided to post my below post, here, also.

________________________________________


Hi Bernie.  I am a committed supporter of Harry Reid and I admire his courage immensely and I admire his stating truth as it is, while accepting no BS lies from the other side.


However, my friend, you must remember that it is highly unlikely for any Democrat to win public office in Georgia as a U. S. Senator or Governor at this time.  Michelle Nunn needs to win 30% of the white vote in this Red state.  She will not be able to do anything for the Democratic cause in Georgia, if she is not elected to office, which means she cannot alienate the white voters in this conservative state.


I can guarantee you that she will be 100% better than David Perdue, who, I believe, is in this race to help himself, not to serve the interests of the people of the state of Georgia, primarily.


The minority population must not let their emotions overtake their good common sense as to what is happening politically in Georgia at this time in its history.  Nunn must win and she must win the minority vote and 30% of the white vote to do that.

Bernie31
Bernie31

Just Left the Barbershop in Black America the Other America!....The message to Michelle NUNN, Yer kin FERGIT OUR SUPPORT and Vote!

Leader Harry Reid is ONE and the ONLY MORMON We as a People and community will stand Beside and Behind 100%!

We would rather let David Perdue take this Nation down in Flames. Than to allow to be used again by another Dixiecract support seeking Michelle Nunn. We ain't going Down that Road ....ever AGAIN!

If you will Drive through and around any African American Community in Metro ATlanta and inquire about Michelle NUNN most will say...WE Don't know Her. 

The inquiry goes further by saying she is supported by Zig Zag Zell...The young people will say ZELL who?  and older Voting African American's "ALL" say...OH Hell NO! She ain't gitin MY VOTE!

No WAY in Hell.

Michelle...You are on yer own with the Dixiecracts in Georgia. I hope you are Happy! 

Don't Quit yer Day Job.

lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

I'm gone.Y'all should thank me for adding excitement to this usually bland commentary. Without me the comments would number half of what they are....YOURE WELCOME, JIM GALLOWAY. High school football starts night. see ya

lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

OBAMCARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE Lawd Jesus the world gon end cause of OBAMCARE. ....LOL....hehehehehe....

lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

Does penis envy drive the right wings hatred of black males?

lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

OBAMCARE IS here to stay and penis envying white conservative males cant stand it... 

Pat_Pending
Pat_Pending

As a freshman senator, Ms Nunn would do Reid's bidding. Harry is a ruthless political animal, he would squash her like a bug.

But not to worry. She has no chance. Perdue is a weak candidate but Nunn is not running against him, she's running against Mr. Obama. That will be too high a mountain for any Ga Democrat to climb in 2014.

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

Michelle " I don't have " Nunn ( experience that is ) will need all her clairvoyant skills to ask her Grandmother for advice however pending her talking to her Grandmother in the great beyond, she will be doing Dirty Harry Ried's bidding if elected while waiting on calls from the White House.

peewilly
peewilly

@Lithoniaguy

Now don't go Ferguson on us,or we will come out I-20 on ya. LMAO

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@GwinnettDad "A vote for Michelle Nunn is a vote for Harry Reid, probably one of the most shameless liars in the history of American government, or for that matter, any government"

Don't you remember lying Ryan,.  Paul Ryan Got Caught Telling Huge Whoppers  “The left is making a big mistake here. What they’re offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul. The American people want more than that. This reminds me of a story I heard from Eloise Anderson. She serves in the cabinet of my buddy, Governor Scott Walker. She once met a young boy from a very poor family, and every day at school, he would get a free lunch from a government program. He told Eloise he didn’t want a free lunch. He wanted his own lunch, one in a brown-paper bag just like the other kids. He wanted one, he said, because he knew a kid with a brown-paper bag had someone who cared for him. This is what the left does not understand.”~~~~Lying Paul Ryan 

The truth....

Eloise Anderson never actually spoke to a young boy who told her this story. She lifted this story from a book that was written in 2011 called “The Invisible Thread.” The book detailed the story of an 11-year old homeless boy, Maurice Mazyck, who was befriended by the book’s author, Laura Schroff.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Never put Michelle Nunn in a pigeon-holed category.  She is too smart to take the fall for that simplistic thinking.

peewilly
peewilly

@Lithoniaguy


Blah, blah blah, same ole babble, white this , racist that,taking us back,etc,etc.


Don't ya know we all get tired of that nonsense, Wake UP,  quit living in the past, do the right thing.

lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

@david Perdue was for the government shutdown. hes just another toupee wearing racist obstructionist that wants to take America back to the mythical good ole days of yesteryear.  When was white was right and not questioned

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Bill OrvisWhite You need a mental evaluation just like this nut job cop in Missouri who has been ordered to take a psychiatric evaluation.  “I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, but I’m also a killer, I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I’ll kill a whole bunch more. If you don’t want to get killed, don’t show up in front of me. I have no problems with it. God did not raise me to be a coward.~~~ Dan Page Missouri cop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XA_yW7Z5OM

The footage shows Page saying he does not believe in hate crime laws, while also complaining about “sodomites” on the Supreme Court, “sodomites and females” entering the military, and blaming women for causing men to be arrested on domestic violence charges.

“Don’t be a waste of cops’ time,” he says. “Just shoot each other and get it done.”

Who in their right mind would elect politicians that think like you and Page to run this country.  Seriously, it's like electing to have a lobotomy done on a perfectly healthy brain.

td1234
td1234

@CherokeeCounty Well someones polling is dead wrong since the one last weekend had Perdue up by 9. 

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@MaryElizabethSings Bernie I've never been through the kind of discrimination you've faced. And Harry Reid is obviously a great leader. And I wish Michelle would loudly support Democratic issues too.

But electing Perdue would be a real disaster for Georgia. You and me, and our children and grandchildren, will continue to fall further behind the rest of the country.

I hope you'll reconsider.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Bernie31


Bernie, I have just noticed your question to me of a few posts back regarding Michelle Nunn, and I have answered your question, just now.  Scroll backwards for my response to you.  Best, Mary Elizabeth

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Infraredguy Let's put it this way if David Perdue does win he will never find his way to the White House by way of a presidency.  You think Willard Mitt RobMe lost you haven't seen nothing yet.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Infraredguy 

I don't have " Nunn ( experience that is )

David Perdue says, "What?"

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@EdUktr  Why Polling Fails Republicans Couldn’t Predict Eric Cantor’s Loss  "polls can’t predict elections. They are essential tools, windows into the minds of a particular audience — but they cannot and should not be used as infallible crystal balls.  Trouble is, pollsters are under ever increasing pressure to feed a voracious media beast and provide the answer to that perennial question, “Who’s gonna win?” And therein lies the problem with polls, pollsters and consumers of both". The Cantor campaign’s catastrophe is not without modern precedent, even if the size and scope were extreme. Anyone remember Al Gore winning Florida, John Kerry winning Ohio and, of course, President Mitt Romney?~~~NY Times JUNE 11, 2014

Keep searching @EdUktr if it makes you feel better apparently polls are to you what a bottle is to a baby.  

lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

@peewilly 



will u be with you be with your black boyfriend? do u have anymore vids of him?

Bernie31
Bernie31

@MaryElizabethSings - My Friend, Tell Us do you support Michelle's position on Democrat Senate Leader Harry Reid? and why?  If You Do agree with her stated position, please explain as to Why Progressive Minority Georgia Voters should support the candidacy of Michelle Nunn full throated in Light of the Courageous Heroic stand and Leadership by Leader Harry "Give em Hell" Reid.

Especially in the face of ongoing Republican purposeful and intentional OBSTRUCTION of President Obama's Policies and the Work of the People of this Great Nation.

IMO that Michelle Nunn has wandered into an AREA of politics where she is out of her Depth and Knowledge of the accomplishments of the successes of Leader Reid.

I will anxiously await your response..



Infraredguy
Infraredguy

@ MaryElizabethSings, Ms Nunn always uses her clairvoyant skills to ask her Grandmother for advice

Kamchak
Kamchak

@peewilly 

... we all get tired...

"[A]ll"?

Wake UP, I have not nor will I ever grant you the authority to speak on my behalf, sport.

bryantm3
bryantm3

@td1234 @CherokeeCounty 

it could be that the race is simply that fluid at this point. i gather we will see more consistent poll numbers as we edge towards the election.

Pat_Pending
Pat_Pending

Undoubtedly, the GOP's. Not enough folks care about that inside pol talk. It's all about the O.

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

Not sure but you should check your mailbox, most SSI , EBT and State welfare checks should be delivered by this time of the month

EdUktr
EdUktr

@StraightNoChaser

I'll inform the New York Times editor of his misunderstanding.

peewilly
peewilly

@lithoniaguy

Thanks for watching,I could not put it any clearer to you. I am sure you can find more on goggle if you can figure it out. More and more black people feel the same way as Jonathan Gentry on the video,they tell me. Stealing, Rioting, Not doing as the PoPo says will get you nowhere...........except dead.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@lithoniaguy @StraightNoChaser The boy asked if he could have food for lunch and if it could be packed in a brown paper bag. He stated that if it was packed for him in a bag, it would show he had someone at home that cared for him.  I love it when republicans call everyone else liars when they have been the biggest spenders and are the biggest liars in Washington.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Bernie31


Hi Bernie.  I am a committed supporter of Harry Reid and I admire his courage immensely and I admire his stating truth as it is, while accepting no BS lies from the other side.


However, my friend, you must remember that it is highly unlikely for any Democrat to win public office in Georgia as a U. S. Senator or Governor at this time.  Michelle Nunn needs to win 30% of the white vote in this Red state.  She will not be able to do anything for the Democratic cause in Georgia, if she is not elected to office, which means she cannot alienate the white vote in this conservative state.


I can guarantee you that she will be 100% better than David Perdue, who I believe is in this race to help himself, not to serve the interests of the people of the state of Georgia, primarily.


The minority population must not let their emotions overtake their good common sense as to what is happening politically in Georgia at this time in its history.  Nunn must win and she must win the minority vote and 30% of the white vote to do that.


DS
DS

@bryantm3

I think you're probably right about that. I think there's also a difference in how the polls are done. 

Harry Enten, Nate Silver's political poll analyst, has written about this. He separates quality pollsters, who mix live interviews with automated telephone interviews and internet polling, from cheap pollsters, who just use automated telephone interviews. 

In races where there are just cheap polls, the results are all over the place. But when you toss in a few quality polls, the cheap pollsters start to follow the quality polls. Copycats.

WSB/Landmark is a quality poll, at least in terms of data collection methods. The others haven't been chasing them yet. We'll see if that changes as we get closer to the election.

Another problem is that some pollsters are biased. They use polls as a campaign tactic and spin the results to make favored candidates look more competitive than they are. There was a lot of that with the Romney campaign in 2012.

Last problem is demographic assumptions. We saw this with the Republican primary polling, which had Kingston ahead of Perdue. But the cross tabs showed that pollsters were assuming mostly Republican voters. They forgot that Georgia has open primaries. 

A lot of independents and Democrats must have voted in the Republican primary and runoff, because Perdue beat Kingston, and the poll predictions, in both. Between Perdue and Kingston, independents and Democrats went for Perdue. Between Perdue and Nunn, they seem to prefer Michelle Nunn.

My take of the polls is that we just have close races.

lithoniaguy
lithoniaguy

@Infraredguy 


I see your another penis envying white  conservative...god made black men bigger, is that why youre so angry? lol...now I bet youre mom and your sister are the same person, aren't they.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@EdUktr @StraightNoChaser  Typical @EdUktr BS you want to cherry pick what is and isn't acceptable by a media outlet this allows you to spin it better.  What's the matter ED you don't like it that the NY Times has invalidated the very poll you keep posting of theirs?  Ask yourself this ED if they are saying that polls can't really predict the actual outcome of an election why do you insist on reading the sign post up ahead called the Twilight Zone?

EdUktr
EdUktr

@StraightNoChaser

Got a media publication predicting a Nunn victory? I'll wait for your reply.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@EdUktr I am not looking for one because I do not believe in crystal balls.  You got one that assures that she will 100% not win since the New York Times has blown your polls and analyst out the water with their story?  I guess you will just find another bottle (poll) to stick in your mouth. I will wait for your reply. 

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@EdUktr  @EdUktr Every so often, the American political world is turned upside down. Last night was one of those moments, as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was "primaried" out of a job. Nobody (including me) predicted this upset~~~~Huffington Post June 11, 2014. Go get another bottle this one is sour too.