Posted: 10:03 am Wednesday, August 20th, 2014

Mitch McConnell — and David Perdue — promise a confrontational GOP Senate 

By Greg Bluestein, Daniel Malloy and Jim Galloway

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., center, emerges from a closed-door meeting with at the Capitol in Washington during the 2013 federal shutdown. Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., center right, speaks with Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., right. AP/J. Scott Applewhite

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., center, emerges from a closed-door meeting with at the Capitol in Washington during the 2013 federal shutdown. Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., center right, speaks with Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., right. AP/J. Scott Applewhite

With the prospect of taking over the U.S. Senate now in sight, Republicans are now thinking about what they’ll do with the car once they catch it.

More threats to shut the federal government down are a distinct possibility, suggests Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. From Politico:

Your daily jolt on politics from the AJC's Political insider blogIn an extensive interview here, the typically reserved McConnell laid out his clearest thinking yet of how he would lead the Senate if Republicans gain control of the chamber. The emerging strategy: Attach riders to spending bills that would limit Obama policies on everything from the environment to health care, consider using an arcane budget tactic to circumvent Democratic filibusters and force the president to “move to the center” if he wants to get any new legislation through Congress.

In short, it’s a recipe for a confrontational end to the Obama presidency.

“We’re going to pass spending bills, and they’re going to have a lot of restrictions on the activities of the bureaucracy,” McConnell said in an interview aboard his campaign bus traveling through Western Kentucky coal country. “That’s something he won’t like, but that will be done. I guarantee it.”

But it’s not just McConnell talking tough.

At a Cobb County rally on Tuesday that featured Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, the name of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was mentioned more times that of Michelle Nunn, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate.

Here’s what her GOP rival, David Perdue, told the crowd:

“We will win the Senate back. We will put forth an agenda that will force this president to either veto or get in line and let’s move forward. Because the status quo is unacceptable.”

McConnell’s office notes that the Kentucky Republican didn’t mention a federal government shut-down in the interview, but the specter remains. If McConnell uses spending bills as the lever for his confrontation, and if Obama vetoes those, then the government would likely have to shutter.

***

State Rep.-elect Michael Brown, a Republican who won his Gwinnett County seat in the May 20 primary, has died, reports Seth Weathers, who managed that campaign. Cause of the sudden death has not been determined.

Brown won 61 percent of the vote in his primary contest against David Hancock. A third potential candidate, Suwanee businessman James Sanford, deferred to Brown’s candidacy.

***

Gov. Nathan Deal did his best to spin the jobs report that showed Georgia has the nation’s second-highest unemployment rate.

The governor told reporters that nearly 300,000 private sector jobs were created since he took office – “a remarkable number” and that the state is “holding its own” in the economic development arena.

“I haven’t heard Sen. Carter suggest any solutions for any of these things. It’s easy for people to criticize,” said Deal, who said he was confident that the state’s 7.8 percent jobless rate will drop now that the summer is over.

(Carter, we should note, said that more targeted incentives and a boost in education funding would pay economic dividends in the long run.)

Deal pointed to Bureau of Labor Statistics figures that showed Georgia added more than 70,000 jobs last year.

“You’ve got to keep in mind that there are states that have lower unemployment rates than ours, but their workforce drops. We are a growing state and people continue to come here.”

He added: “I certainly don’t like the ranking. I would much rather be ranked 50 than be ranked higher up the scale and see my labor force shrinking and have no new jobs to show for it.”

Deal got some help from Reince Priebus, the RNC chairman, who was in Atlanta on Tuesday. At a rally at Cobb County GOP headquarters in Marietta, Priebus pointed to awards naming Georgia as a top place to do business. Asked later to comment on Georgia’s high unemployment, which he had not mentioned, the RNC chairman blamed President Barack Obama.

“Nathan Deal’s been working uphill with this president,” Priebus said.

Carter spokesman Bryan Thomas said the governor is grasping for excuses.

“His latest excuse is flat wrong. Not only did Georgia have the largest increase in unemployed workers in July, the labor force actually decreased by more than 4,800 people,” he said. “That’s thousands of workers who just gave up looking for jobs in Gov. Deal’s economy.”

***

We told you yesterday that Michelle Nunn’s new Pillowtex ad — which slams GOP Senate rival David Perdue — reminded us of the Super PAC hits on Mitt Romney in 2012. The Washington Post explains just how familiar it is — almost a shot-by-shot replica of an ad called “Stage.” paid for by Priorities USA.

The firm behind both of the ads is Shorr Johnson Magnus, of Philadelphia. The Nunn campaign had paid the firm $237,059 for media consulting and ad production as of the end of June.

***

Counter PAC, a Super PAC that hopes to combat the influence of dark money Super PACs, is going on the air in Atlanta — but the first buy we’ve seen is a small one. It’s buying six spots on WXIA-Atlanta starting tomorrow for about $4,000.

The ad asks viewers to call Michelle Nunn and David Perdue and ask them to reject untraceable outside money in the campaign.

The organization said, in all, it’s a five-figure buy more about “sparking the conversation about the pledge” than saturating the market.

Nunn offered a “Peach Pact” of getting the Republican side to swear off outside money altogether, but Perdue and Kingston dismissed it as a stunt. Perdue was the beneficiary of a Super PAC during primary season, Citizens for a Working America, that did not disclose its donors.

***

Jason Carter, the Democratic candidate for governor, released the names of his ruling campaign committee on Tuesday. It is a demographic and geographic work of art notable for its absence of any close ally of Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, and the presence of a prominent board member of the American Jewish Committee:

– Chairman Michael Coles, co-founder of Great American Cookie Company and the former chairman and CEO of Caribou Coffee Company;

– B.J. Blackwood of Augusta, an accounting lecturer at Georgia Regents University;

– Ken Britt, retired executive director the law firm of Alston & Bird and former lobbyist for Georgia Equality;

– State Rep. Debbie Buckner of Talbot County;

– Former U.S. senator Max Cleland;

– Dr. Monique Davis-Smith of Macon, the family medicine residency program director at the Mercer University School of Medicine;

– State Rep. Stacey Evans, a Cobb County Democrat;

– Lois Frank of Atlanta, a national board member of the American Jewish Committee;

– Alfreda J. Goldwire of Chatham County, president of the Savannah Federation of Teachers/Paraprofessionals and School Related Personnel;

– State Rep. Scott Holcomb, an Atlanta Democrat;

– State Rep. Pedro Marin of Gwinnett County;

– DeKalb County CEO Lee May;

– Atlanta City Council President Ceasar Mitchell.

– Richard Oden, the first African-American chairman of the Rockdale County Commission;

– Former state representative Barbara Massey Reece of Chattooga County;

– State Sen. Freddie Powell Sims of Albany;

– Jeff Turner, chairman of the Clayton County Commission;

– The Rev. Raphael Warnock, senior pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta;

– Former Atlanta mayor Andrew Young;

– Carolyn Young, a former teacher.

 

56 comments
Bernie31
Bernie31

Will yer look at New York Johnny I. in the Photo above talking with a Towering Kuntry Club Golfin Republican yer udder Senator Saxby Chambliss. 

Jest Look at that YELLA SILK TIE..That New YORK Johnny is wearing cost at least $100 or more at Joe Banks.


That Yella Tie is Softer and smoother than a Baby's Butt!


New York Johnny outta be in de GQ or ESQUIRE magazine as de Best Tie wearin Senator....


Meanwhile All de Po Folks Black & White all over Georgia ain't got not Health Care for dem, dey Spouse or dey children. If de child is handicapped or deformed dey is on dey on...


But Look at Johnny....He show look like a MILLION BUCKS!


I bet he gots a MILLION Bucks too!


Jest like de udder one beside Him...Hollywood Saxby.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

David Perdue--a candidate as badly flawed as Attila the Hun.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Confrontational?  So these are the goobers who watch Jerry Springer?!  Great to appeal to the "base."

Red_GA
Red_GA

Nathan Deal is proud that gubmint created those jobs. Suddenly the GOP mantra changes. When a Democrat is in charge only the private sector creates jobs. When a Republican is in charge the gubmint creates jobs. Strange....

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

This is what it is really all about, David Perdue.  Standing by humanity, not just making money for yourself.  Michelle Nunn gets it.  And, I'm hoping most Georgians will show that they get it, too, when they go to the polls to vote in November.


youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Imo, David Perdue's penchant for looking after his own interests, primarily, would not change if he were to become a U. S. senator from Georgia.  In fact, I believe that that tendency of his to look after #1 would only increase with political power in his hands.  Vote for Michelle Nunn for your U. S. Senator from Georgia.  She will serve you and your interests.

NWGAL
NWGAL

What is the difference between a terrorist and a Republican Senator? Taxpayers pay the Republican to cripple the country.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

From the same source as my last post:


". . .recent press release from the Democratic Party of Georgia.


'Perdue made $1.7 million in just a few months steering one company toward bankruptcy, led efforts to ship thousands of jobs overseas at another and made tens of millions of dollars piling yet another firm with billions in debt,' the release from July 28 read. . . ."


MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Continued from my last post:


". . . . Dollar General's operating profit margin was 7.5 percent in 2003, meaning 7.5 percent of revenue was profit before taxes.  That dropped to 2.6 percent in 2007 under (David) Perdue's leadership.


Likewise, pre-tax profit dropped from $487 million in 2003 to just $96 million in 2007 . . . .


After KKR bought out Perdue's contract and replaced him with its own CEO, Dollar General saw a lifetime high of 10.3 percent operating profit and $1.5 billion in pre-tax earnings in 2012. 


'Saying he (Perdue) added the debt at Dollar General is totally inaccurate,' (Dan) Wewer said. 'But it is accurate to say he was the CEO during a period when the company's profitability dramatically dropped and created a situation where a new buyer came in and replaced him with a CEO who was able to turn the company around.' . . . .


Moreover, it was not up to Perdue to stay. KKR paid him $42 million to leave, so it could install its own CEO. . . ."


(Source: August 19, 2014, AJC, Metro Section, PolitiFact - Truth-O-Meter)

Rawdeal
Rawdeal

Second highest unemployment rate, MOST corrupt legislature in the U.S.!, Ga .hospitals  closings due to stubborn Republican elitism and of course, mouth breathing Ga. voters that have been voting against their own interest for years because the fat cats ordered  them to and  racism is still alive and well  . Welcome to GA  racing to the bottom and too dumb to know it.  

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

OK, here is my promised follow-through.


From yesterday's (8/19/14) AJC, the first page of the Metro Section, under "AJC's Truth-O-Meter:

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"Perdue was the first person outside the founding family to serve as CEO of Dollar General when he took over in 2003.  The company grew from 5,900 to 8,500 stores under his tenure, according to SEC filings. . . (but) separate filings . . . show the firm's debt also grew by $3.8 billion in those four years. The figures speak for themselves, he (Democratic spokesman Michael Smith) said, declining to comment further.


The missing contest, though, is why Dollar General's debt ballooned from $346.5 million in 2002 (and $282 million in 2003, Perdue's first year as CEO) to $4,282 billion in 2007.


The debt came from a leveraged buyout, when Perdue successfully persuaded the board of directors for Dollar General to be acquired by private equity firm KKR for $7.3 billion.


As with all leveraged buyouts, it was KKR as the buyer, not Dollar General as the seller, that financed the deal - and the debt.


Perdue acknowledged making $42 million over two years when KKR bought out his contract as part of the deal. . . ."


StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

MEMBERS OF CONGRESS SEEN PARTYING, DRINKING ON CAPITOL HILL ALL WEEK DURING SHUTDOWN...“There was a private party upstairs with a few Congress people and senators here that night.” the bartender stated".~~~Oct 8, 2013

I don't think so Mitch McConnell and do nothing Republicans your next Blue MotherF***er will not be on my dime.

Corey
Corey

Republicans deserve better. Where are the ideas from Perdue and the rest. Being a thorn in the president's will not help solve our problems. Spiteful governing serves nothing but egos. 

partlycloudy
partlycloudy

And all the more reason NOT to vote for them.  As Zell Miller says, too much conflict in the DC congress.  I remember when the republicans and democrats used to work together for the good of the country.  What a novel idea.  And as one person here said in a letter to the editor when he voted against Jack Kingston, Kingston had been in the House for decades and had always voted against everything.....not for the good of the country.

So I'm voting for Nunn because well, Perdue ruined family dollar stores, didn't he?  Look at his record in business.  All bad.  Just like Rick Allen.  They use the government and use the store employees and those 2, Perdue and Allen, get richer while the poor get poorer.

honested
honested

so turtle head is talking about how 'The Senate will operate'.


Is Ms. Lundgren-Grimes going to give him some sort of job in her office?

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

...as opposed to Mary Nunn who will be nothing more than a "yes woman" and a rubber stamp for anything Obama.


No thanks!

TheRealJDW
TheRealJDW

"We will put forth an agenda that will force this president to either veto or get in line"


BIG EYEROLL..'cause that is just what we need more obstruction from the Party of No.  


So the bad news is should the Repugs gain a Senate Majority to compliment that gerrymandered mess in the House nothing gets done for two years except more drag on the economy in the form of government shutdowns and other inaction.  The good news is that after two years of that we might not see Repug control of the House, Senate or Presidency for a generation. 



Ralph-43
Ralph-43

We already know Nathan Deal has been voted the worst governor in the United States and is awaiting federal indictment on bribery charges.  Lets not embarrass ourselves by voting for this person for any reason.  Jason Carter will be a nice change and has a good chance of moving this state back into action with a growing economy, a happy and healthy bunch of citizens, and some respect in the rest of the world. 



http://www.citizensforethics.org/worst-governors-in-America



StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

More threats to shut the federal government down are a distinct possibility, says Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky....Georgia has 135,880 government employees living in this state who do not benefit from a government shut down + 600,000 patients who have been denied healthcare because of Nathan Deals decision on Medicaid expansion + employees from three rural hospitals with as many as 15 more rural hospitals in Georgia that may be shutting  “within months” because of Nathan Deals Medicaid decision + employees from every hospital still open in Georgia that are against Nathan Deals decision on Medicaid expansion and are for the ACA are more than enough votes to make up for 300,000 plus votes that President Obama lost this state by.  Game over republicans the writing is on the walls.  

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

David Perdue: "We will win the Senate back. We will put forth an agenda that will force this president to either veto or get in line and let’s move forward. Because the status quo is unacceptable.”

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If David Perdue is elected from Georgia to the U. S. Senate, then you can bet that Georgia, and this nation, will continue to work to build the power of the corporations, their CEOs, while continuing to take from average working Americans to do so.  Words are cheap, as are the untrue words of Perdue, above.  As I have written many times on various blogs, since the mid-1970s when Republican CEOs first organized their brutal, selfish political agenda designed to take from the average American people for these next 4 decades, middle and working class Americans have been working harder and seeing fewer benefits, as a result of this Republican ideological and self-serving agenda.  This has happened to our beloved democratic-republic not by coincidence, but through deliberate subterfuse and sneaky planning and implementation by Republican CEOs in conjunction with their puppets, Republican politicians.


Don't play the fool for these political mercenaries any longer, Georgia citizens.  Do not elect any Republican politician to political office in November from Georgia. They will not serve you and your interests.  David Perdue will not serve you and your interests, imo.


 (I will post more during the course of the day on this blog which will present specifics as to how David Perdue has hurt, not helped, average American workers, and benefitted himself.)

NWGAL
NWGAL

Well, we certainly don't have enough confrontation, do we? Everyone gets along so well and they share their toys. Right.

consumedconsumer
consumedconsumer

Re: "Because the status quo is unacceptable.”


yet, all the GOP proposes is more of the same . . . go figure.

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

So if you liked all those shutdowns that damaged your 401K so much, vote for Perdue.

Brilliant, but given the fact that Repubs only care about their hatred of Obama, it might work. 

The_Real_Centrist
The_Real_Centrist

All the more reason to work towards getting as many Democrats and Independents in the Senate as possible. Mr. McConnell might want to think about the fact that the voters of Kentucky may not return him to the Senate in November.  I sincerely hope that they don't. 

ThatTeacherGuy
ThatTeacherGuy

So politics as usual?  The same crowd complained when those tactics were used against President Bush.  Instead of making an attempt at working together, they are openly planning to antagonize the other party.  Brilliant.

DS
DS

"Republicans are now thinking about what they’ll do with the car once they catch it."

Ha! Very good, Greg. Good collection of news in this post, too.

I think you need to change that line to "if they catch it." McConnell is in a close race. He's having a hard time explaining to Kentuckians how he would repeal ACA yet still allow them to keep their Kynect coverage, which is made possible by ACA. Seems they like their health coverage.

McConnell and Perdue wouldn't be much help in the Senate anyway, because they would have no control over Ted Cruz, who has become the de facto leader of House Republicans, who have been thumbing their noses at the Senate. And neither McConnell nor Cruz would have any influence with House Republicans, who are off the charts extremists.

If you want to see anything useful or responsible done in Washington, you have to vote for sensible moderates.

Perdue doesn't seem to be one, either. A taped interview has been released, in which Perdue said that "Paul [Broun] and I agree on a lot of stuff; he just says it differently than I say it."

Apparently Perdue is a lot more extreme than we thought.

taters
taters

Perdue needs to get elected first.  Hopefully people will realize that if the Repugnicants get control this country will be screwed as they thrown the poor, sick, needy and elderly under the bus.  All the Repugnicants care about is their rich buddies.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

"We will put forth an agenda that will force this president to either veto or get in line and let’s move forward. Because the status quo is unacceptable.”  

This is David Perdue's Willard Mitt Romney moment... I was for it now I am against it.  During an appearance at the Fayette County GOP in Georgia early in January, David Perdue, the former CEO of Dollar General who is now running for outgoing Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R)Perdue argued that some bailouts can be good, like the Wall Street bailout......  David Perdue has entered the twilight zone which eventually happens to all GOP candidates.  They just can't resist that sign post up ahead which reads Obstruction at any cost.

EliasDenny
EliasDenny

If the gop wins the senate they still will not do anything for the people.

Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.

JackClemens
JackClemens

Kasim Reed won't help Carter or Nunn, because he doesn't want a Democratic incumbent in either seat when he decides which office he wants to run for.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@NWGAL - Republicans are TERRORISTS...all one has to do is to Look at their Polices.

Their Policies Terrorize all those whom they impact. Just like the Terrorist of the Middle East they gather together to Laugh and plan for more ATTACKS. Just as Mitich McConnell has already planned. If the Republicans gain the SENATE...Another SHUTDOWN of America will Come to Past!


This is their Plan....

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@MaryElizabethSings I remember when Dollar General was on the verge of going down in the bowels of history (David Perdue leadership) 2 days ago they offered $9.7 billion for Family Dollar (Non David Perdue leadership).  Great post.

Juanx
Juanx

@partlycloudy  ...here's what Perdue chose as a career...Efficiency Expert...reviews the most profitable sections of a business to sell to the highest bidder for maximum profit to the shareholders. Reduce or eliminate staff within the company except for the most essential until a buyer can be found for the remaining less profitable parts. Then skedaddles with a boat load of fees for his services. No job creator Perdue is. He and Romney are from the same club.

honested
honested

@TheRealJDW 

The misery in the interim might be oppressive but if that may be what it takes to break the fever.

Wouldn't it be easier to stop electing dolts?

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@EdUktr I will take 135,880 state of Georgia federal government employees who are likely Democrat voters because they hated the government shut down, are not willing to go through another one,  and they blamed republicans for the shut down over your 560 likely polled voters any day.  You lose I have more voters than you do.

GA Peach
GA Peach

@consumedconsumer Exactly.  And now McConnell -- and Perdue -- are promising Georgians another government shutdown. 

BannedPoster
BannedPoster

@The_Real_Centrist Yeah because the Democrats controlling the Senate since 2007 has done so many great things.....NOT!  The best thing for this country moving forward is to have a GOP Congress go up against the President and force his hand.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@DS I would love to see each of their faces when their Eric Cantor moment catches up with them.  Pompous a$$ holes never learn.

BannedPoster
BannedPoster

@taters You mean just like the Democrats under Obama, Reid, and Pelosi?  You do know it is the Democratic Party that is raking it in with very rich donors don't you?  Plus they get some nice kickbacks with Democrat supported legislation too. 

Bernie31
Bernie31

@JackClemens - You are Right about Kasim on that one...This one is Praying with ALL of his tiny Dark heart Jaso and Michelle Lose. For a loss by either of the Two, Kasim Reed and Governor Yella Teeth see it as a win for the both of them.



StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@JackClemens He can run all he wants to Kasim Reed will never have an office in Washington DC.  He is not for the average working person, six figures or higher is who he serves and that's not the average American household.

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

@MiltonMan How about Perdue? He has already kissed McConnell's a$$......er.....ring! He'll vote according to his master!

TheRealJDW
TheRealJDW

@honested @TheRealJDW


Wouldn't it be easier to stop electing dolts?


That would be my first choice, but some folks seem to be slow learners.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@BannedPoster @The_Real_Centrist The country does not need a stupid is stupid does senate.  When the south secede from the union you guys can do what ever you want to just leave the rest of the country out of it.  By the way how is that secession thing coming anyway?

Ralph-43
Ralph-43

@BannedPoster What?  The Senate has been blocked by right wing crack pots in the House.  Major changes are needed to move this country and this state forward.  The aging fraternity boys need to go home - 'Animal House' days are over. 

The_Real_Centrist
The_Real_Centrist

@BannedPoster    Do you really want a Senate that is a mirror image of the House?  I sure as hell don't.  Talk about a dysfunctional legislative body...........John Boehner can't even control his own conference! 

Larry1234567890
Larry1234567890

@GA Peach @JackClemens Reed has already campaigned with Nunn and Nunn has the endorsement of former Gov. Miller. It remains to be seen if this is going to hurt or help her. From the people i've talked to , they aren't real happy about her or Perdue.

As the governor's race goes, If people think its alright that their Gov. has wasted 4 million dollars because he didnt want to get investigated on how he became gov. and dispite the fact that, he had to resign from the House, is being investigated by the FBI, sold his son-in-laws outdoors business to the "porn king of California", sold his salvage business to a company that owes 74 million in state taxes, the same salvage company that forced him to resign from his House seat and that will be paying him 2 million in lease payments, then we are in more trouble than i thought.

This state is in serious trouble now.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@Larry1234567890 @GA Peach @JackClemens - How can the Good Church Goin Folks of Georgia support a Governor that personally knows A PORN KING in California...even worse Doing Business with one. Then to learn the Porn King is paying the Governor RENT!


Christian folk of Georgia, if that is what yer really are...Yer Need to RETHINK some things. and Rethink just who yer want to Hitch yer TRAILER too...


Will it be Satan or Jesus!


I stand with Jesus...and yer know He ain't with Governor Nathan Deal. Not By a Long SHOT!


Porn Man paying de Governor Of Georgia Rent...Satan has taken over the Gold Dome!


Jason you are going to have to PRESSURE WASH the entire Governors Office floors and walls, get New furniture and Carpet. You will need Holy Water as well to drive out the Demons..DAY ONE!


Going for a LONG HOT SOAPY Shower now...to WASH the Stench of what I just Read, AWAY!


Jesus we call on your assistance in Georgia...Help US! Please!


Good Grief....I have Learned more here today than I really wanted to Know.


Disgustingly Filthy.....