Posted: 10:02 am Wednesday, August 6th, 2014

With $2.5 million TV buy, GOP can’t say Georgia race for U.S. Senate is a ‘gimme’ 

By Daniel Malloy and Jim Galloway

U.S. Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, talks to the press after making his victory speech at an election watch party on Tuesday. Roberts defeated tea party-backed challenger Milton Wolf. AP/Charlie Riedel

U.S. Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, talks to the press after making his victory speech at an election watch party on Tuesday. Roberts defeated tea party-backed challenger Milton Wolf. AP/Charlie Riedel

National Democrats were thrilled Tuesday to see that national Republicans are going to spend early and big on the Georgia U.S. Senate race.

The news that the National Republican Senatorial Committee will spend $2.5 million on Atlanta TV on a five-week span starting Tuesday — a huge sum at this stage of the race — was immediately picked up by Democrats as evidence that Georgia is not as safe as the GOP would like to claim.

Here’s the executive director of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee on Twitter:

guycecilFrom a tactical standpoint, every dime the NRSC spends on must-win Georgia is a dime not spent on a state Democrats have to hold, such as Colorado. Of course, in the Super PAC age, outside money can arrive from anywhere at any time and in any amount.

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On the other hand, Kansas just made Georgia’s race for U.S. Senate a little more important for Democrats. From the Washington Post:

Your daily jolt on politics from the AJC's Political insider blogSen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) won his closely watched primary on Tuesday, dealing a dispiriting blow to the national tea party movement in one of its final chances this year to unseat a Republican senator….

His victory raises the odds that for the first time since 2008, no Republican senator will lose in a primary. With most nominating contests complete, the last major test will come on Thursday in Tennessee, where Sen. Lamar Alexander is heavily favored against state Rep. Joe Carr, an immigration hard-liner running to the senator’s right.

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Democrat Michelle Nunn has been back on the air for a week with her own ad, a positive spot about her work at Points of Light foundation featuring old photos and testimonials from co-workers. We finally found the ad on YouTube. “Self-empowerment and collaboration” is the key catch-phrase.

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The Georgia Voice has an editorial today that is somewhat puzzling. The newspaper spotlights an Atlanta fundraiser for state Sen. Jason Carter, the Democratic candidate for governor, hosted by an LGBT activist last week.

Reporters were barred from the event – the prohibition isn’t unusual, whether the campaign is Democrat or Republican – which raised nearly $90,000. But citing second-hand sources, the Voice took umbrage at thoughts that Carter allegedly didn’t express:

Carter never said the word “gay” or “LGBT” as some people noted on social media following the event and also as reported by Project Q Atlanta….

But we do know Jason Carter can say the word gay and LGBT. When he ran for the state Senate in 2010 in a special election, he received the endorsement of Georgia Equality and talked publicly about his support of “LGBT issues” but nothing about marriage. Marriage was not on the front burner like it is today.

During Carter’s four years in the Senate, the state’s constitutional ban on gay marriage never became an issue, even at the committee level, so the video record is slim.

But we’re pretty sure we’ve heard Carter, whose Decatur-based district is very gay friendly, express himself on the issue. This arrived last night from Bryan Thomas, a spokesman for the Carter campaign:

“Jason has long supported marriage equality, and has said so to anyone who asked him. He doesn’t think we should ever be in a position of telling churches what to do, but has long been on the record in support of civil marriage equality.”

Jeff Graham, executive director of Georgia Equality, said this morning that he was pleased by the above statement, but suggested that the Carter campaign might want to be more responsive to LGBT media in the future.

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The tin-foil hat crowd is peddling the idea that Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed is the reason that two Americans infected with the Ebola virus are now residing at Emory University Hospital. From someone named Dean Garrison at Freedom Outpost:

I find it simply ironic that Reed was invited to Bilderberg for seemingly inexplicable reasons and now we have an Ebola patient in Atlanta. To put it as bluntly as possible, Kasim Reed seems like way too small of a fish to be rubbing fins at Bilderberg.

I think it is a fair question and could certainly add to already existent doubts that this “Ebola treatment in America” thing is a “false flag” or simply a pre-planned event to advance an agenda.

Reed is a fine fellow and all, but we just don’t think he has that kind of pull.

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President Jimmy Carter and U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson were on the guest list for a state dinner at the White House last night honoring African leaders in town for a summit.

Carter has spent considerable time in Africa in his post-presidency and Isakson had made several trips there — including one this year. He was formerly the ranking Republican on the foreign relations subcommittee for Africa.

Lionel Richie was the main entertainment, but a White House pool reporter spotted Isakson exiting the tent on the South Lawn as the singer began “Dancing on the Ceiling.” Isakson, as anyone might know, doesn’t do disco.

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As the war in Gaza continues, Rep. Tom Graves is heading to Israel on a trip sponsored by the charity affiliate for a pro-Israel lobby.

Graves will be among a delegation of members of Congress that will meet with President Benjamin Netanyahu, among others. From a prepared statement:

“While we will discuss a broad range of economic and political issues, I am especially interested to learn more about Israel’s counter-terrorism techniques, including their approach to securing borders and ports of entry.”

The trip is sponsored by the American Israel Education Foundation, a charity affiliated with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that frequently takes lawmakers to Israel.

Post-Jack Abramoff Congressional lobbying reforms prevent lobbyist-funded travel, but charity affiliates such as AIEF provide a loophole. We wrote about this issue two years ago.

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Get ready for Snowden 2.0. A story published by journalist Glenn Greenwald’s new site, The Intercept, on the huge number of people on the U.S. government’s terrorist watch list includes classified files taken after Edward Snowden left the country. U.S. officials tell CNN this means there is a second leaker, but the documents shared so far are not as highly classified as Snowden’s “top secret” files.

178 comments
MichaelHannigan
MichaelHannigan

More of what the DJC won't cover:


On Tuesday, August 5, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that President Obama’s popularity reached its lowest point since he first took office in 2009. Overall, 54 percent of Americans disapprove of the job the president is doing compared to just 40 percent who approve. 

Despite the record low numbers for President Obama, NBC Nightly News failed to cover its own polling results during their Tuesday night broadcast. 

The NBC News/WSJ poll also found that a strong majority of Americans, 60 percent, disapprove of President Obama's handling of foreign policy with only 36 percent approving. The same poll also found that 33 percent of Americans have very negative feelings towards Obama, tying a record high from December of 2013.  

Rather than cover its own polling, NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams spent 40 seconds promoting a video of a Norwegian mom trying to get her 2-year old son to go to bed on a hot summer night. Will NBC's Today acknowledge President Obama's record low approval ratings on Wednesday morning? Stay tuned to find out.

Bernie31
Bernie31

Yes Jim,  Kasim is a Very fine FELLA!  Lol...rofl...:)

dreluv
dreluv

Every time I turn tv on you see Perdue Ad attacking President Obama he have not said anything about raising minimum wage in Georgia or 600,000 Georgian does not have Medicaid because of Nathan Deal..Michelle Nunn and Jason Carter out talking to Georgian about Education, Medicaid, Jobs,.

It time for a new direction in Georgia

peewilly
peewilly

@CuriousPrime

Didn't Mayor Reed say  Atlanta would  welcome all the Ebola patients as well as all the illegal immigrant children that come into the country ?


If so, I hope they all stay at his house or at least in his neighborhood. geez

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

Road Kill GOPossums are trying to connect Mayor Reed to Ebola to the 2014 Bilderberg meeting  held back in May in Copenhagen?  We may as well say that Isakson is the reason since he has been somewhere on the continent of Africa more recently than Reed, and the action to bring the patients to Emory is a federal matter and not the City of Atlanta.


Besides, the discussions of some of the world’s most powerful people from the financial, political and business worlds are completely secret.  BUT, Reed's name is not on the "official guest list., and the official items on the agenda included “The future of democracy and the middle-class trap”, “The new architecture of the Middle East” and the major geopolitical crisis of the moment: “Ukraine”. Several topics that are less PR-friendly will evidently be discussed such as the evolution of a globalized world order (Remember George H.W. Bush?).

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

Still counting ad buys:  Michelle Nunn $350,000.  Right Wing-PAC-$403,000, NRSC-$2,600,000, and AM Conservative Talk Radio-Priceless.

peewilly
peewilly

@CJKati


Reminds me of the good ole day's ,I  am showing my age,  when Ross Perot use to say  in debates.


What we need to do is  "FORM A Committee"

honested
honested

Representative graves is in Israel.

Somebody warn them not to lend him any money for any motels.

NWGAL
NWGAL

So Nunn is running a traditional campaign, spending most of her time talking with constituents, and Perdue and Company are blanketing the air with nasty ads. Traditional, apparently, is only good to some when it comes from the lips of Republicans.

DannyX
DannyX

If Perdue is elected he will join the very poorly rated Republicans in Congress.  Perdue wants to be a team player.  Why?

A just released Wall St Journal poll shows Americans have a very negative view of Republicans in Congress.

Republicans were viewed positively by just 19% vs 54% negative

Democrats 31% positive vs 46% negative.

Obama, 40% positive vs 47% negative.

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

Awesome.  I can see that nothing has changed in the past couple of weeks.


David Perdue is still, obviously, an insider.


Has the Chamber of Commerce come out with their endorsement of him yet?

peewilly
peewilly

@CJkati


Well said,the most sensible post on  "None" I have read. She will not take a stand on anything ,that leads to doing nothing for nobody and not having a platform at all.




SouthernDem
SouthernDem

I'm actually sick and tired of hearing about these Points Of Light. Nobody is casting a vote on the basis of what she did or didn't do with some charity, so Nunn just needs to move beyond this Girl Scout For Senate nonsense.

And let's face it, Points Of Light wasn't an interesting topic 2 decades ago when Bush was bragging about it and its even less so now. Michelle's Hey-Look-At-Me-I'm-Basically-A-Republican-Like-You,wink,wink--showcase is now a tired act as well. And these Hallmark Card-inspired videos aren't doing anything to stir up her base either.

My God, hasn't she learned anything from those leaked memos?

NWGAL
NWGAL

Can't we just leave Graves in Israel?

CJKatl
CJKatl

Whoever is guiding Ms. Nunn is clueless. She needs to show us she has substance, ideas and the passion to get those ideas working. She needs to let us know in no uncertain terms that she intends to go to DC to be a Senator who will not just join forces with the incompetent, mean, misguided Harry Reid. Right now, she looks like she is trying to please everyone, so she is coming across as a wimp with no opinions. If that's who she is, which is who she is portraying herself to be in the commercials, then why to do we even need a Senator? Why not just give Harry Reid a proxy and save ourselves having this vacuous vessel move up to DC just to sit in a chair and breath to make it look like GA has a Senator? 


Her commercials just reinforce that she is a nothing who lacks any reason for us to send her to DC. A Senator cannot be afraid of discussing issues. Right now, Nunn comes across like a squirrel who sees a dog in the yard, rather than a person with ideas who has a passion to make them happen. She seems to have no particular reason to want to be our Senator, other than to say she has the job. Would you want a surgeon who wasn't interested in medicine? A plumber who didn't want to talk about your pipe problems? A teacher who wanted you to know she's a good person, but isn't interested in talking about what your kids will be learning in the classroom? What makes Nunn think anyone wants a Senator who seems like she doesn't want to address the issues?


C'mon, Nunn. Just tell us where you stand on issues and what you want to accomplish as a Senator. Who cares if you are a good person? I'd vote for the devil if I thought he could go to DC and change things effectively. I wouldn't vote for Mother Theresa if I thought she was going to DC to join arms with Harry Reid, keeping the Senate operating at the status quo. Right now, I've got to believe you're going to join Harry Reid, as you seem to not be giving us anything else to go on.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@MichaelHannigan  The right has no problem with low approval president, you can't because you gave us the horror that has been giving us hell every since IT left the White House.  The Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts began to take their toll in his second term, followed by economic woes, Bush’s ratings nosedived.  His approval dropped into the 30s in advance of every State of the Union after that, settling at a low 31% before his final address in 2008.~~~Pew Research Center January 28, 2014.


 Do what we did when shrub I mean Bush was President we got off our a$$es, went to work and prayed to God we would make it to the next week with food, shelter and clothing.  One thing Bush did do was help me find my faith in the Lord if he didn't do nothing else.



Bernie31
Bernie31

@dreluv These STINKIN Republicans are still feeling the STING of (2) TWO Presidential WINS by President OBAMA. The STING HURTS so Bad that he is being mentioned in about 90% of the REPUBLICAN Political ads. So Strange to see him so prominently billed in republican ads when his political career will be over in 2016.  When all these Backassward thinking CRETINS know only one word..."NO!"


While all of America is saying "YES!"

Whatever will they DO when Hillary & Bill return to the White House in 2016.

You Clowns are going to MISS ole Barry, just you wait and see!  LOL! rofl!


STUCK on STUPID is what the Republicans are and David perdue just wanna get in on the Lovin. Of ourse he is also Very interested in that LIBERAL Pay & Retirement Package. For that is the only LIBERAL Republicans Truly LOVE....Congressional PAY!


David Perdue - " I AM STUPID,TOO"

uh..huh.

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

@ dreluv, did you take English in College or just Ebonics

Bernie31
Bernie31

@peewilly - Well how will that Help YOU? When ALL know, you live DOWN STREAM!

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

Michelle " I don't have " Nunn experience that is can't wait till her handlers write something for her to say, She did tell us she learned a lot from her Grandmother but can't remember what it was, so she went to work for Bush 41.

honested
honested

@CuriousPrime 

I always wondered, does Wrong-Wing Rant Radio have a religious exemption, or should they be taxed for 'electioneering'?

honested
honested

@peewilly 

The best thing Perot ever said was 'we need an immediate .50 tax on gasoline'. 

Adjusted for inflation today that would probably be about 1.50, but Perot is still correct.

CJKatl
CJKatl

@NWGAL To begin with, she has no constituents until and unless she is elected. We are not her constituents; we are the people she needs to interview with for the job. I've been to one of her meet and greets. Her standard answer is if elected, she will put together a committee to look into that issue. In other words, she will do what she should have done already if she is elected, and come to a conclusion we may or may not agree with. That's not way to convince us you want the job. It comes across as either evasive or like she really isn't all that interested in the issues, but if she is forced to look into them, she eventually will. Neither stance indicates she really wants the job. 


She should list the five or ten biggest issues and offer concrete proposals about what she will do. It will stymie the Perdue campaign and allow us, the voters, to honestly evaluate whether she can ad should represent us. Contrary to what the high priced consultants are telling her, it would also galvanize voters, giving them a reason to support her. It's what Newt did with the Contract With America, which won many House seats. It makes more sense to follow that winning formula than to continue doing what has cost the Dems almost 75 seats in the House over the past couple of elections.

CJKatl
CJKatl

@DannyX Oh, and 31% positive is still pathetic. Would you want to go see a movie that 31% of people who watched thought was favorable? Would you rush out to buy a car that 31% of owners viewed favorably? Would you fork over money to eat at a restaurant that had a 31% favorability rating from people who had previously eaten there? Yes, 19% is very bad, but that doesn't make 31% acceptable. 

CJKatl
CJKatl

@DannyX Fine. Everyone knows the Reps are awful, as are the Dems, but the Dems and Nunn seem to have nothing to offer beyond that. We know why we shouldn't vote for Perdue, but that isn't a reason to vote for Nunn. The one big difference is with Nunn, we get Reid. He may be the most negative force to ever run the Senate. The Dems, and Nunn, need to stop pointing out the Reps weaknesses, because what they fail to realize is pointing out the weaknesses inflates the Dems' bigger weakness. It reiterates that the Dems do not have a message. 

Bernie31
Bernie31

@NWGAL - ya mean like the 5,600 American Graves and NO WMD's to speak of to be found anywhere? rumored of? thought I seen? everywhere in takrit,mosul  and points unknown according to good ole joke telling Rummy. I think we have enough Graves for a Lifetime. How about your'n?

Bernie31
Bernie31

@CJKatl - You already VOTED for SATAN....His Name is Nathan DEAL!! the other Evil one you voted for TWICE was George W.Bush.  Look where and what that has brought to America's shores. Nathan will most likely receive another NOD in the affirmative from ALL of The CHILDREN of Darkness of Hate and discontent in November.

However beads of Light are starting to shine through over this Dark Cloud of Lies, corruption,Betrayal and Arrogance of Republican Leadership. A Leadership that is in total Moral Decay from TOP to BOTTOM! Rotten to its Core in moral decency  and Human Compassion.


uh...huh.

td1234
td1234

@CJKatl As the memos showed last week, she thought she was going to run against Kingston and his record in DC so now she can not. The memo also pointed out that she can not run in Georgia to the left and if she ran as her daddy did then the core Democrats would have no reason to vote for her. 

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

@honested @CuriousPrime Not that I know of, but they are propped up like Rush, Sean, Laura, etc. by the Usual Conservative OZ's.  Most folks have never heard of 90% of the cardboard advertisers on those stations.

honested
honested

@CJKatl @DannyX 

So you prefer the republiklan message of beating down the middle class, permanently expanding the military and moving to 'one dollar-one vote'?

Those three issues should be enough to get the attention of voters with a pulse.

CJKatl
CJKatl

@Bernie31 You are just making stuff up. Your post is factually wrong. You don't know who I voted for in any election. I will tell you, I did vote for Deal, despite knowing he was dishonest. We had not choice in that election. Barnes had already proven himself unfit to be Governor. He tried to steal the government, which is worse than stealing money. I voted for the less evil of the two devils, and still believe I made the only rational choice. Barnes should be in jail. This time, the Dems have nominated a great candidate who I can vote for without hesitation. 

CJKatl
CJKatl

@td1234 @CJKatl It's not just her. The Dems have no message other than Reps are evil. It seems their whole strategy has been shot by the Rep primaries not yielding any far right candidates. The Dems need to get a unified, positive message, giving us a reason to consider voting for them. Pelosi was positively apoplectic last week when Candy Crowley didn't let her spit anti-Rep venom. Has anyone ever heard Debbie W-S ever provide a single concrete proposal on what the Dems would do if given a chance? Every time she opens her mouth, she skews facts and lies about what Reps want and tries to tell people that they should vote for Dems so Reps don't do the thing she just invented in her head. Dems need to take a one month pledge to only speak positively about their party and stop trying to define the other party. They may be surprised to find that if they actually put forward positive, concrete ideas, people might want to actually vote for them, as opposed to holding their noses and voting for them by default. The mud slinging does not convince anyone other than the base, who will be voting Dem anyway, and turns off other voters. 

CJKatl
CJKatl

@honested @CJKatl @DannyX No, but that doesn't make me for Dems, either. If Dems could enunciate a positive message, rather than solely prop themselves up by pointing to the Reps' evil, they would fare better in elections. Your post offers no reason to vote for a Dem. Your thinking that if you throw enough stink on the opponent nobody will realize you are a skunk does not work on anyone. 


C'mon. Give it a try. Write out five things that the Dems want to accomplish without mentioning the other party. Try doing five sentences like this: The Dems want to pass a law that will ___________________. Not "help the average American" type blabber, but some real, specific statements. For example: Protect religious freedom while still offering all medical options by funding a government option for paying for these procedures when an employer enunciates a specific religious objection. And check it out - This would protect what the left thinks is a woman's right to healthcare while not trampling on sincere religious convictions the right wants to protect! Compromise! Specific! Impossible in today's environment and with the type of thinking you expound. 

Bernie31
Bernie31

@CJKatl @Bernie31 - See I was Right! LOL! rofl!  I always knew the Devil was in the Details and it was Nathan Deal.  uh..huh!

Bernie31
Bernie31

@CJKatl @td1234 - Truly AMAZING we have TWO (2) Loser Republicans Here trying to tell Democrats what they should do to Win!

Lol...Rofl...LMBAO!

Why Not help yer Brother SATAN......I mean NATHAN? ))

DannyX
DannyX

@CJKatl, take off those partisan blinders.  Did you watch any of the Perdue vs Kingston ads?  They took mudslinging new heights, and that was Republican vs Republican.  As far as a message, what exactly is the Republican message these days?

td1234
td1234

@CJKatl But that is part of the strategy the Dems seem to be deploying these days. They know they can not win on the issues (right now in this country) so they mud sling to the point that the independent decides to just stay home because both parties suck then they believe they have the turnout machine to beat the Republicans in a base vs base election.  

honested
honested

@CJKatl 

The Democrats want to complete the implementation of standardized, nationwide access to medical care similar to what is available in the rest of the Civilized world.

The Democrats want to stabilize the revenue stream for the Interstate Highway system in order to fully fund necessary infrastructure and prevent needless damage to personal transportation property and preserve the safety of American Travelers.

The Democrats want to lessen the burden of Student Debt (allowed to skyrocket in the last decade for unexplained reasons) and provide the capability for college students to enter the workplace with the capability of contributing to society rather than being in permanent penury.

The Democrats want to limit the ability of the MIC and intelligence services to interfere with the daily life of American Citizens.

The Democrats want to PREVENT uncontrolled carbon emissions limiting the viability of our ONLY planet of residence, regardless of the long term impact to petroleum industry profits.

How many do you want?

honested
honested

@CJKatl @honested @DannyX 

Every plan for moving America forward posited by ANY Democrat since 2010 has been obstructed from the sub-committee level on by the 'party of NO'.

In comparison, name ONE legislative item proffered by ANY republican in the same time period that has provided broad protection of rights, property or educational opportunity to the middle class?

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Bernie31 Actually three when you throw in Retired-Soldier the only soldier in America who managed to dodge the bus Bush and Chaney drove straight at him the others were not so lucky.

CJKatl
CJKatl

@DannyX @CJKatl Yes. The Kingston ad where Obama was on the phone likely cost him the nomination. As someone in the middle (I hate both parties equally, will be voting for Carter and Perdue, unless things change with Nunn substantially) I can tell you those ads told me Kingston wasn't going to be a Senator interested in finding compromise and working with dignity. Those ads told me Kingston was a childish partisan who shouldn't ever hold public office again. We have enough children in DC right now who only want things their way. We need more like Chambliss, Feinstein, and, yes, Boehner who are willing to reach across the aisle. We need more even keeled statespeople and fewer screaming partisan hacks. Kingston, in his ads, showed himself to be a partisan hack.


And just to make it clear, I am not a partisan, despite your assumption. I wish there were two parties that gave us two thoughtful choices. I wish it were possible to made voting choices based on positive information from both sides. It shouldn't be an "us vs them" voting system. It should be a "we're all Americans, so let's figure out what's best for us right now" system. Both parties are responsible for our not having that.

CJKatl
CJKatl

@td1234 @CJKatl The Dems have apparently already decided they cannot win on the issues, as they seem to not discuss what they specifically want to do, but I still wish they would stop making stuff up about Reps and instead, just flat out say, this is what we want to do. For example, rather than complain that Reps won't let them pass immigration reform, why not just come out and say, "We want to pass a bill that states X and will cost $Y" so that we can at least make an informed decision? 


Instead, Nunn comes across as someone who doesn't really care about any issues, but is promising us that if she is elected and forced to consider them, she will do what she doesn't really want to do and make a decision that we may or may not agree with. I know it's the Dem playbook, and the fact she is following the Dem playbook tells us all we need to know - she's just another Pelosi/Reid/W-S clone - but I still wish she would morph into a solid candidate with ideas. 

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @CJKatl What the hell would you call just happened in the run off between Kingston and Perdue?  A GOP kumbaya moment? 

CJKatl
CJKatl

@honested @CJKatl Show me one Dem that is standing up and saying, "The Democrats want to complete the implementation of standardized, nationwide access to medical care similar to what is available in the rest of the Civilized world." Or anything close to it. You might think Dems want this, but none of them are talking about this, which is my point. I agree that there should be a version of single-payor. Perhaps everyone be given a subsidy for minimum care and those who want to pay additional can get more premium plans. Instead of something like that, we got Obamacare. It's so convoluted nobody understands it. You go to an exchange and you shop for different level plans with different providers depending on your income and employment status you may or may not...


If Dems would stop the harping on Reps, explain why a single payor plan makes sense and how they will implement one, they would probably win votes. A single payor plan is easy to understand and will ultimately be much less expensive than this nonsense that was passed. But Dems aren't for what you claim. If they were, they would have passed that instead of what they passed. After all, they didn't have to please any Reps. None voted for the mess. They could pass what they wanted, and they chose not to pass what you think they are for. 


I could go on with each of your points. Dems want you to think they are for these things, but they aren't out there talking about them. How many of these things has Nunn stood up for? (None. Instead she is trying to convince us the Cathedral School is an Atlanta institution and she's swell.) How often to you hear Dems offering concrete plans like those? (Rarely. They are too busy bashing Reps.) 

CJKatl
CJKatl

@honested @CJKatl @DannyX Oh, and you illustrate the problem with your last sentence. You want specific things the Reps offered that meet your idea of what's right. That's not how the real world works. You try to get what you want and settle for what you can get. Your last sentence shows you are the type that wants everything on your terms.


Guess what.. the Dems aren't always right. The Reps aren't always right. And there isn't always only one way to get something done. A Rep idea might work, and a Dem idea might work for the same issue. Acting like a child and whining that the other side is the problem because they want their way, when, in fact, you are just as unwilling to try their way, is hypocritical. Sitting down and compromising to incorporate some of each  is statesman like. Unfortunately, we stopped sending statesmen to DC and send partisan children now instead.

CJKatl
CJKatl

@honested @CJKatl @DannyX Way to try to change the subject. Give me concrete specific goals. 


FWIW, both sides are obstructionist.If Dems really think we don't see through the "We have all these great ideas, and if the Reps would just agree with us on everything we could pass them." Both sides need to learn you don't get everything you want, but you hash out a middle ground and get some of what you want, while giving away some things you really wanted to keep. Neither side is capable of compromise now. Chambliss was good at it, and look where it got him. 

GA Peach
GA Peach

@CJKatl "We need more even keeled statespeople and fewer screaming partisan hacks." 

Perdue is off to a bad start, then.  He was up in Washington last week meeting with Mitch McConnell, telling him that he'd be a "team player."  I've never heard him say that he'll reach across the aisle.  Because he won't.  His I'm-going-to-take-my-ball-and-go-home response to the Chamber of Commerce when they endorsed Kingston over him was interesting.  He was begging for their endorsement, and then when they endorsed Kingston, he attacked the Chamber.  He's no better than those crying babies he used in his own ads.

DannyX
DannyX

@CJKatl, your whole screed was as partisan as you can get.  Go back and re-read it.  Then with your next post you went completely overboard when you said Boehner is willing to reach across the aisle, which is total nonsense.

td1234
td1234

@StraightNoChaser I would say it was a primary contested election where the Republicans in the state decided to retire the incumbent and send a different conservative to DC

honested
honested

@CJKatl 

So apparently you want to shill for the republiklans because 'they haven't been as bad as they could have been', am I right?

Of course I would prefer single payer, but first we need stronger education so that the average Joe understands it is better to put ALL the money toward covering their illness or injury rather than saving 20% off the top for a parasitic middle man.

It can be done but due to 30 years of wrong-wing propaganda, it will take some effort.

We live in a State where the low information types think it is better to be wearing two guns when they go into church than to have the school their children attend adequately funded with a full staff of teachers all year long.

Having watched the long downward spiral under republiklan losership, I am comfortable with ENOUGH and ready for a welcomed change!

honested
honested

@CJKatl @honested @DannyX 

Having lived in Georgia all my life, I can say that the last dozen years were probably the hardest to make a profit.

This while a President from a party that was not the Democrats broke the world, and a party that was not the Democrats took over State Government and, well, broke it too.

Does evidence mean anything to you?

honested
honested

@CJKatl @honested @DannyX 

chambliss, compromise?

Despite what the extreme wrong wing accused him of, chambliss accomplished nothing but to exercise the ire of the flat-earthers in his own party.

td1234
td1234

@DannyX Compromise works both ways. Obama has you snowed because I have seen nothing from him to date that was a reach across the aisle and backing off his progressive principles. 


For example: If Obama wanted the immigration bill so bad then he could have just said that we will close the border first with verification by the states before we implemented any of the other provisions.  

CJKatl
CJKatl

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser The same thing that has happened in many states this year: Savvy Reps, after seeing what happened when they nominated lunatics, nominated the more electable candidate. Had Nev Reps done that, Harry Reid wouldn't still be Senator. Reps could have won in Del, Mo and other places had they nominated someone who could attract middle voters. While Perdue might not be the dream candidate for those on the fringe right, the majority realized it was the difference between giving the race to a vacuous Nunn or having an okay, electable nominee. 

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser I get it like the Tea Party retired all of those republicans and democrats who voted for the bank bailout which gave us the do nothing congress that we currently have.  The only problem with your theory is that they are sending another republican (Perdue) back to Washington who is for bank bailouts and who will vote for one without blinking his eyes if he need to do so.  This is some funny $h!t and if it did not have such an adverse affect on my life I would be laughing but at the end of the day it really pisses me off.

CJKatl
CJKatl

@honested @CJKatl No. I am not shilling for Reps or Dems. How is it that you only see the world through an us versus them prism? I see the world through individual issues. You seem to think everyone needs to take sides and those not on your team are evil. That type of thinking has gotten us into the partisan mess we are in now. If people who thought like that would just step back and let those who expect government to tackle issues elect thoughtful, intelligent even keeled people, we wouldn't be in this mess. Instead, people like you treat politics like a WWE match and elect people who don't understand issues and are unwilling to work together, like Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Cruz, and the like. Rand Paul may be conservative, but he has worked with Dems and spoken out on issues not usually associated with Reps. We need more like that, and fewer people who seem confounded by the idea that one doesn't have to fervently support Dem or Rep. 


And, BTW, it's always fascinating that those incapable of thinking outside their own preconceived notions project that simplicity on others. Thanks for offering a glimpse into that thought process. Those who are comfortable with ideas avoid name calling. Only those who are incapable of expressing their thoughts sink to the rude behavior. While calling the other party "losers" or misspelling the party name likely makes you feel big and important, it diminishes the ideas you want people to take seriously. You convince nobody by insulting them. You make yourself look small when you have to sink to hurling insults. Your minority party will remain a minority party as long as they keep chuckling amongst themselves with this type of childish humor. Even those that you might be able to convince are repulsed and think something must be wrong with an idea if it comes from childish fools. 

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @DannyX We elected President Obama to get rid of the Bush tax cuts, pull our troops out of Iraq immediately and to pass healthcare.  This is why he has been elected twice.  Because he worked across the aisle he has compromised everything we elected him to do from the Bush tax cuts to healthcare.  What the hell are you talking about?  I get it the GOP has found a new hostage, immigration and because he is refusing to budge the new label for him is he does not work across the aisle.  Well I am here to tell you that's a lie the man has given everything but his soul to the GOP since he has been in office.  Enough is enough damn it.

DannyX
DannyX

@td1234, Republicans couldn't even pass their own immigration bill!  Then they passed a bill that has been criticized by many Republicans.  Boehner couldn't even reach out to his own Republican party!

td1234
td1234

@StraightNoChaser So you rely on Government to support you? If you do not then do nothing is a good thing because they are not spending more money on useless government programs. 

Retired-Soldier
Retired-Soldier

@StraightNoChaser @td1234 @DannyX  Obama has worked "across" the aisle? BS! Healthcare is the perfect example, zero republican votes. Again BS.


P,S. I assume you mean immediately out of Iraq to mean four years. The length of WWII. What an accomplishment. 

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser So we should pay them to sit on their sorry a$$es and do nothing?  They can have the government support their lazy a$$es but the sick old lady or child can't?  I knew eventually the GOPer "you people" would rear it's ugly head.  The ironic thing is the GOP government waste ideology only applies to the poor and average American but not to big banks, corporations or the 1%.  This is why I say you guys are full of s$!t and your message falls on deaf ears. 

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser They vote for things that are special interest to them and not to the average American that is the only time they do something.  Answer the question why would the tea party run all the old conservatives out of town because they voted for TARP but now want to send Perdue back to Washington who would vote to spend billions of my tax dollars to bail out banks again if he had too.  What part of my question says that I like the government to take care of me?  I asked you a simple question.  What has changed between now and then for them to make such an about face?  

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser @td1234 @DannyX We didn't elect him to compromise on healthcare we elected him to get it done, just for the record. John McCain and Willard Mitt Romney lost so the expectation was and still is for healthcare legislation to pass in this country.

DannyX
DannyX

@td1234, you answered your own question.  First Republicans proposed a bill that had a chance in the Senate, then they pulled it because their own party wouldn't agree to it.  Then they passed a lopsided bill that has no chance at passing in the Senate.  How exactly is that reaching out to the other side????

td1234
td1234

@StraightNoChaser Oh no, they have plenty of work to do. They should be going through the budget process and finding areas of government to cut or totally defund. They need to hold hearings and oversee what the bureaucracy is attempting and to scrutinize every dime they spend. 


There most important job is the check a President and to look at changing any laws that should be changed or eliminated.

td1234
td1234

@StraightNoChaser And Nunn would not vote to bail out banks? LMFAO. You are not only uninformed but have blinders on as well. 

td1234
td1234

@DannyX The President is the leader and has to do the compromising. Where is his compromise. Reagan compromised with the Dems that ran the Senate for building the military by increasing domestic spending (that his core principles said to cut).


This is compromise. Obama has done none in 4 years now.  

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser Nice try but I am talking about the tea party's no way no how ideology toward bank bailouts.  Since you have injected yourself into the conversation why does the tea party want to send Perdue to Washington who would vote for a bank bailout after they ran everyone else out of Washington for doing so?  What they do wipe their a$$ on the constitution they have been toting around since the president got elected?

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser Nunn is not a republican so the expectation is for her to vote for a bank bail out after all that is what the tea party has been protesting against the president on since 2009.  Answer the question when did the tea party decide that bank bailouts are good for the country?  Why do you keep dodging the question?

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser @td1234 @DannyX Republicans want to slip their ideology through the back door after losing the presidential election because the country as a whole rejected it and WE are not going to allow this to happen.  Georgia can send who ever the hell it likes to Washington but it's only one vote.  The country as a whole will not allow the tea party or Republicans to run the Senate and Congress your ideology is to extreme and it has been shown when congress was shut down. Bottom freaking line and all the name calling, smearing and fear mongering in the world is not going to change this.  Basically, get over it your guys lost.

DannyX
DannyX

@td1234, there you go again td!  Deflection.  You got caught once again dishing out bs, so deflect to Obama.

td1234
td1234

@StraightNoChaser The tea party has not decided it but thank goodness they are not one issue voters. 

Retired-Soldier
Retired-Soldier

@StraightNoChaser  Absolutely we lost in 12, but remember you lost in10 and will lose in 14. When did the Dems take both houses of Congress? In 06 and that is what the Rep will do in 14. Amazing how history repeats itself.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser They are full of $h!t that's what they are.  Then it does not surprise me Willard Mitt Romney and Lying Ryan were for it before they were against everything that is why they got their butts handed to them in the presidential election.  

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser The rights views are too extreme and the country as whole will be rejecting them.  Don't believe me just watch.  This is why Willard and Ryan lost the country was not willing to take that chance.  It was and still is a scary thought.  I never said the Dems were taking control of both of anything we just want to make sure that the crazies don't take over Washington and make life a living hell for the entire country.  The right is on some dumb $h!t right now and the average American has no interest in it.  We just want to live and not be miserable while doing so.

Retired-Soldier
Retired-Soldier

@StraightNoChaser  The reason Romney lost was the depressed turn out of republicans in 12. If Romney had the same vote total McCain had in 08, Romney would be president.


But he didn't and Obama won, that's old news now. 14 will look like 06 with Bush. The country is fed up with a far left president who is out of touch and clueless about foreign policy. 

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser The country was fed up with the Bush doctrine, still remember the Bush doctrine and will never forget the Bush doctrine.  The reason that Romney lost he is because he is a republican, a lying one at that.  No other reason is needed save the reasons for GOP closed door meetings we out here really don't give a $h!t.  We are glad that McCain and Romney lost that's all that matters.

td1234
td1234

@StraightNoChaser @Retired-Soldier I saw a poll where the majority of the American people are feeling some serious remorse for re-electing Obama and they say they really wanted Romney. 

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser @Retired-Soldier 

Can't help but laugh at the do over crowd..............

Doesn't matter what any poll shows today on that issue.


What matters is that on the 1st Tuesday back in Nov 12 Obama thumped your boy Romney


End of story.  Almost two years later and all you have are excuses and polls.


LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser @Retired-Soldier Do you know how ridiculous you sound?  You are actually on here trying to discredit a presidency and the voters who elected him by referencing a freaking poll?  Seriously, at the end of the day your poll means jack $h!t because he is the President of the United States.  Voters across the country will make sure the the far right will not have the majority of the house and senate.  The last time the extreme right ran this country we ended up in two unfunded wars, wall street damn near crashed and tax payers had to bail out every major bank and corporation in the country.  No thanks you guys cost to damn much.  Talk about a sore loser it's not even about the average American is it?  It's about winning at any cost isn't it?  Childish and immature and you need to stay far away from any voting booth.  Really.

Retired-Soldier
Retired-Soldier

@StraightNoChaser @Retired-Soldier  Let me try again. Please tell me what the Bush policy was that you consider so terrible.


Bush had a terrible record as far as debt is concerned, I agree with you. Then you must hate the Obama debt record. He makes Bush look like a novice.

td1234
td1234

@StraightNoChaser Wrong again. The $17 trillion we have spent on the "Great Society" since 1966 has bankrupted the country. Our leaders number 1 priority is to the military not to making sure the welfare state keeps running. 

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser @td1234 I told you it was his ideas on foreign policy in the Middle East and it broke the country.  Of course I know you have a different version but I can only go by what Chaney said out of his own mouth in a June 2003 speech in which he said, "If there is anyone in the world today who doubts the seriousness of the Bush Doctrine, I would urge that person to consider the fate of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and of Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq."  

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@td1234 @StraightNoChaser So that is why the framers of the constitution went out of their way to make sure that the executive branch is separate from the military and that the military does not have the authority to make any decisions for this country.  What you are promoting is what countries that have dictators do.  The military has all the power and it's that countries number one priority.  Dumb a$$ that is not the foundation that America was built on.  That is why there are separate branches of government and the military is not one of them.  You far right extremist are a scary bunch.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser @td1234 You tell me because I really don't give damn I am just glad it's gone and we are going to make sure it stays gone. Forever.  Bush made anything with an R behind its name have a bad stench for many years to come.  

Retired-Soldier
Retired-Soldier

@StraightNoChaser @Retired-Soldier @td1234  Thanks, you made my point. If you don't know what the doctrine is, don't be critical of it. You just fire from the hip with the MSNBC talking points. Do a little home work.


Obama followed the Bush plan of withdrawal in Iraq and Obama expanded the war in Afghanistan. Obama also overthrew the government in Libya and is reintroducing troops to Iraq.


That's the Obama doctrine.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser @td1234 I don't watch MSNBC, I don't have cable.  I do my own research by reading.  If Obama followed up on Bush with anything he did it because it was what was best for the country as a whole.  Basically, we were already and still are knee deep in a mess so his job as commander in chief is to fix it the best way he can with as little collateral damage as possible.  It was Bush who said "They will see us as liberators" and "mission accomplished" apparently the president has found out that was a bold faced lie and he has no choice but to do things the way he has.  I mean how can the right criticize the job the president is doing when he is cleaning up your damn mess?  This is why you guys lose elections average American have not and will not forget who started all of this $h!t.  Seriously.....

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Retired-Soldier @StraightNoChaser @td1234 That's what I thought.  Truth can not be denied.  You have lost two presidential elections after Bush occupied the White House.  Now if that's not a country that's saying anything but a republican then I would like to know what is otherwise there would have been a president McCain and Romney.  Bye