Posted: 9:00 am Saturday, July 26th, 2014

Mississippi’s Senate race foretold doom for Jack Kingston 

By Jim Galloway

Last month’s U.S. Senate race in Mississippi saw GOP incumbent Thad Cochran survive a tea-party assault, aided by the U.S. Chamber – plus thousands of black Democrats lured into the Republican runoff.

In the weeks that followed, political observers wondered if Cochran’s success would have implications here.

Last Tuesday brought the answer. Mississippi indeed sparked ideas in Georgia’s Republican runoff for Senate — just not the ones you might think.

Snubbed by the powerful business group, former Dollar General CEO David Perdue used antipathy toward the U.S. Chamber and its Mississippi adventure to pry apart an alliance of Republican stalwarts and tea partyers that Jack Kingston, the Savannah congressman, was about to ride to victory.

Given his slim 8,529-vote margin, Perdue’s stunning victory over Kingston and Georgia’s GOP establishment won’t lack for parentage. A superior television ad campaign, an effective voter identification operation, a surplus of turnout-boosting contests in north Georgia, and a willingness to open his thick wallet – all factored into the first-time candidate’s win.

But it was the Perdue campaign’s last-minute decision to cast the U.S. Chamber as the villain in the race – and in doing so, raise doubts about Kingston’s opposition to immigration reform – that may have turned the final trick.

“It’s hard to beat a guy that can stroke $3 million checks, has the name ID of the ex-governor and his network, and he’s the legitimate outsider. But Mississippi may have mattered,” said Eric Johnson, a former state Senate leader from Savannah who headed up the Southern Conservatives Fund, an independent committee that supported Kingston’s candidacy.

At first, there was no downside to the U.S. Chamber’s spring-time endorsement of Kingston, a 22-year veteran of the U.S. House and a member of its appropriations committee.

Which came not long after Perdue walked out of an interview with Chamber executives in a fit of temper. We’re told the former Fortune 500 exec was ticked that the business organization wasn’t automatically lining up behind one of its own.

The benefit of U.S. Chamber backing became apparent after Perdue and Kingston, their campaigns broke and exhausted, survived the May 20 primary.

The Chamber stepped in and began airing $2.3 million in TV ads to boost Kingston’s campaign, which allowed the candidate to court Georgia tea party leaders and former rivals such as Karen Handel and Phil Gingrey.

Endorsements from Republican elected officials across the state began piling up on Kingston’s doorsteps. Polls responded accordingly – and the coastal congressman began looking like a sure thing.

Then came June 24 and the Senate runoff in Mississippi. The intervention, part of the Chamber’s national effort to rescue the Republican party from its self-destructive excesses, saved a 36-year Senate veteran but doomed tea party favorite Chris McDaniel.

Julianne Thompson of Atlanta Tea Party Patriots, a former Handel supporter, was the first tea party activist to publicly sign up with Kingston after the primary.

The Chamber’s activity on Cochran’s behalf didn’t shake her own commitment to Kingston, but Thompson knows it angered others in her movement.

“As far as grassroots conservative activists are concerned, there is a distrust for the Chamber of Commerce,” Thompson said. “They seem to have become less about being pro-business and more about being in the middle of political races.

“I think it was a wise move on the Perdue campaign’s part to distance itself from the Chamber. I don’t disagree with them on that,” she said. “I think that David ran more of a tea party-type campaign, and that resonated with the voters at large.”

Bottom line: Four weeks later, when the Georgia GOP runoff for Senate came down to the wire, and Kingston went on TV with accusations that his rival was soft on illegal immigration, the Perdue campaign knew how to respond – and when.

Across Georgia, TV stations have a Friday noon deadline for purchasing weekend air time. Perdue operatives snuck in just under that deadline and plastered three days of television programming favored by the 55-and-older crowd with an unanswered 30-second spot that underlined the U.S. Chamber’s support for immigration reform. The ad declared Kingston “bought and paid for.”

“Kingston’s largest backer, who has pumped almost $3 million into Kingston TV ads, is 100 percent openly pro-amnesty. Kingston now owes them big,” the Perdue spot pronounced.

A Chamber operative cried “sour grapes,” but the timing of the Perdue assault permitted no televised response.

On Tuesday, as Republicans in metro Atlanta pushed Perdue over the finish line, conservative talk show host Erick Erickson, another Kingston supporter, offered this benediction on Twitter:

“Was able to convince A LOT of people to back candidates I was supporting, but the Chamber of Commerce endorsement of Kingston hurt him badly.”

What Mississippi had given, Georgia took away.

We reached out to the Chamber for a post-election discussion of events, but did not hear back. A petulant video attacking Perdue, posted on YouTube before the Tuesday vote, has since disappeared.

232 comments
notevensurprised
notevensurprised

the US chamber was the primary reason why kingston lost, everyone who follows politics knows when you have a major benefactor of you campaign they are not contributing because they want whats best for america, they are doing it to borrow a phrase from the mob "they maybe come a time when i will come to you for a favor, that day may never come, but if it does you cannot deny me" and that is why the chamber backed kingston....the favor of the US chamber you ask?


1) continued support of illegals stayin in america...why?? well if you are illegal your employer does not have to pay UE insurance, workmans comp, statelocal/federal taxes, soc sec taxes, medicare taxes, georgia state taxes, and lastly and most important.....CAN PAY LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE...


2) outsourcing valuable manufacturing jobs to china, india, mexico, or other third world country where they pay extremely low wages but charge the same price on the retail end, land, labor, and capital are the 3 factors of production with labor being the most flexible and easiest to change..lower labor costs increase profit margin almost immediately


people its time we wake up...US chamber and all politicians they support (like kingston) care little for the united states, they drive policies which benefit their bottom line even if it means closing down a manufacturing plant here in the US throwing thousands out of gainful employment to shift that plant to china then it is our government who must not go to china and borrow billions and billions in order to fund our government.  each time that happens we as a country lose a little more our our national security and soverignty to the chinese government.  look at what is happening in the south china sea china is slowly making a move on the disputed islands and when they do we will be forced to stand by and allow that to happen because we owe too much money to the chinese. all because our business community has sold out the gov't, the people, and this country to make a buck and jack kingston is one of them bought and paid for

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

For anyone who may want to explore ideas regarding the evolution of our nation, and our national choices, during the wee hours of this coming morning, I would like to post an essay I wrote on my blog, May 10, 2014.  Astute readers will be able to see that David Perdue and Michelle Nunn represent the two different sides of the polarization of America (although Ms. Nunn is making an admirable effort to collaborate with those whose political views do not match her own). My post, entitled, "What's Behind the Polarization of America," is given below, and it links to an even more thought-provoking essay I had written, earlier:  See below, if you are interested: (link: http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/whats-behind-the-polarization-of-america/)

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This nation is evolving, simultaneously, in two very different directions and that is why there appears to be greater tribal politics than usual. However, the phenomenon that is occurring is much deeper than simple politics. It goes to the core of what America is meant to be.


Was this nation primarily formed to ensure individual liberty or was it formed to ensure that all are equal?

One “side” has to lead the way in shaping America’s future. Although the other “side” will still impact that future, it will not prevail as the guiding influence of America’s future. In our deepest resources we know that this is true. This is why the nation is now so divided. One side will win in its impact and influence of our nation’s future for all citizens. Are we our brother’s keeper in America or are we totally on our own? On the one hand, we have the Cliven Bundys who will go to all lengths to stand alone for individual liberty against governmental intrusion of any kind on their individual rights. We, also, have the billionaire Koch Brothers on that side who believe, as Libertarians, that government should simply get out of their way so that they can wield whatever power they choose to wield, as individuals. On the other hand, we remember the values and beliefs of Martin Luther King, Jr., who believed that we are our brothers’ keepers and that we each have a hand in making our nation into a more perfect union by our commitment to that spiritual understanding. I believe that Abraham Lincoln would be on the side with Martin Luther King, Jr. because, although Lincoln started his tenure as Commander-in-Chief knowing that this nation must not be divided so that it could continue to be the beacon for liberty for all throughout the world, as he deepened in the course of the Civil War, he came to know that that war was, in truth, about whether slavery would endure or be eliminated in America. So, Lincoln, in essence, joined consciousness with that of Thomas Jefferson and later Martin Luther King, Jr. in understanding that the “raison d’etre” of America’s formation was to ensure that all on this earth are acknowledged to be created equal.


I know on which side in America’s ongoing struggle between individual liberty and egalitarianism I am going to align myself. That is the side which lives out Jefferson’s words that we are all created equal. Our world is evolving, spiritually, toward Providence, in my opinion. That means that the collective American consciousness, in which we will come to realize that we are our brothers’ keepers, and in which we will come to know that all are spiritually equal human beings, whether one is a CEO of a major corporation or whether one is a lowly worker in that corporation, is the consciousness which must lead the way for America’s future. That is radical thinking, but it is what America must be about as she continues to evolve. We are at the turning point now. That is why America is so polarized today. The stakes are higher than any one individual’s life. What is at stake is the direction the world will move in the 21st century on its continuous movement toward eternity. Will we continue to think in terms of individual survival or will we began to think in terms of the survival of humanity, as a whole, one being in communion with all others?


http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/critique-of-the-1986-argentine-film-man-facing-southeast/




CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

The comments on this blog make clear the absolute necessity that people who love freedom must get involved in our political system.  Because the td's of the world are committed to establishment of a theocracy, where only fundamentalist Christians are allowed to establish moral values.

Jesus Christ said to lovingly and graciously and humbly go to the world to tell everyone the Good News.  Instead of doing that, today's dominionist Christians want to use government to force us to live by their 'moral' standards.  Can you imagine being forced by the government to live according to the 'values' that have been expresssed in this blog?

Don't be fooled, because that's what td, and Jody Hice, and Pat Robertson, and Ted Cruz Sr., and so many others, want to establish in America.

dreluv
dreluv

td1234 you stay on this blog 24 hours telling lies and you have your own polls which does not matter.

We are turning Georgia blue and you going be like the rest of the republican crying like big babies.

Perdue sent 1,000 jobs overseas and he also said bail out Wall Street.

Ask Perdue should Georgia raise minimum wages.

Nathan Deal got 600,000 poor Georgian without any medical insurance.

Nathan Deal got tax payer paying $3 million dollar for his ethic violation.

Nathan Deal failed Georgia doing the snow storm.

td1234 do you call Nathan Deal and Perdue great leaders of Georgia?

dreluv
dreluv

Perdue sent 1,000 jobs overseas and he also said bail out Wall Street.

Ask Perdue should Georgia raise minimum wages.

honested
honested

It is nice to see that the perdue-due campaign has hired the able services of the tiny dog.


It won't change reality, but it will make for a few months of hilarity!!

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

Why is there even a debate about who is going to win in November?

GA is a Red State...not a swing state, and that is not changing for a few years. Perhaps longer.

And no, it has nothing to do with ideas or policy. It is all about partisanship and voter turn out. Nobody is really changing their minds anymore.

The lines have been drawn, the teams parsed out, and nothing will change until the Tea Party is gone (which will probably really begin after they cost the GOP the presidency and Senate in 2016).

td1234
td1234

Let us take a look at what Mary Martins organization actually does? 


"Points of light: Points of Light inspires, equips and mobilizes people to take action that changes the world. The Institute has a global focus to redefine volunteerism and civic engagement for the 21st century, putting people at the center of community problem solving. We are organized to innovate, incubate and activate new ideas that help people act upon their power to make a difference. Points of Light Institute operates dynamic business units that share our mission: HandsOn Network, the Corporate Institute, generationOn and AmeriCorps Alums."


So in other words this "non-profit" is nothing more than a group that helps organize people to be their own advocates with governments. And how does this prepare Mary Martin to be a leader in the US Senate and represent the citizens of the state of Georgia? 


td1234
td1234

@dreluv Georgia may turn blue in 10 to 20 years from now but it will not this election cycle. 

td1234
td1234

@honested Not hired by Perdue. Just a realist at the chances of Mary Martin or any Democrat to win a statewide seat this election cycle. 

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Baumer_1 

 It is all about partisanship and voter turn out. 

Yes, and if we can convince more Democrats to register and vote, I believe this state would be blue already.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Baumer_1


We must have more faith.  The polls are very close between Perdue and Nunn.  Once the people of Georgia understand fully how Perdue will be serving himself more than them, I believe many Republicans will approach the ballot stand and vote for Nunn.  The fact that many of these same Georgians voted for her father will help her.  Georgians are not very keen on voting for those who live on a millionaire's island off the coast of Georgia, separating themselves, literally, from the masses of the people of Georgia.

NWGAL
NWGAL

The Huffington Post also had Kingston winning narrowly over Perdue. Surprise.

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

Empowering the People is the greatest virtue of the democratic republic.

What makes Perdue's experience valuable? He never helped others, only himself. I don't trust a businessman to represent non-wealthy constituencies.

I would normally say that both should spend some time in local office...but these are the candidates we have. An idealist who made a career of connecting communities with their political and economic leaders vs. a huckster whose only experience on Main Street has been gathered from a few recent months of campaigning.

Regardless, we shouldn't get overly caught up in the "how does their experience prepare them" debates. Many of our greatest political heroes came from backgrounds seemingly irrelevant to political office. The advantage today is that lack of political experience can be shore up with consultants.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@td1234


Your use of the name of "Mary Martin" is just plain silly, as well as juvenile.  As a result, I cannot give your thoughts serious consideration.

td1234
td1234

Points of light receives a 48 overall rating from the Charity Navigator website while the American Red cross receives a 55,  Feeding America 64, Habitat for Humanity 58 and the Lion club a 61. 


Does this seem like a well run organization?


They receive 2 out of 4 stars. 

Starik
Starik

@td1234 @dreluv So you keep saying, and you may be right - but Deal has been a flop, except for the rebuilding of his own finances.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234    One could argue that the name "Nunn"  is a political liability among the liberals she needs to turn out to be elected. We remember how Sam Nunn was  a staunch ally of raygun's militarism, and penchant for confrontation over diplomacy, and Nunn's unwavering support for he MIC. It fueled many a discussion among my liberal friends, who like me, were not too happy with Sam, but viewed him as the lesser of two evils.

NWGAL
NWGAL

What pettiness not to call a person by their rightful name. We are free to select our own names. We aren't the Taliban where women are property.

td1234
td1234

@Kamchak Perdue will win between 5 to 10 points, probably around the same numbers that Romney took the state 2 years ago (8 points). 


Deal will win but it will be closer to the 5 point margin than the 10 point margin. 

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Baumer_1


Abraham Lincoln only had one two year term in Congress before he became President of the U. S., ten years later.  Yet, he probably was America's greatest president.  He literally gave his life that the democratic ideals of this nation would not die, as a role model for the world.

td1234
td1234

@MaryElizabethSings Her name is Mary and he husbands last name is Martin. If she was anything other than either a radical progressive or a self serving individual then her name would be Mary Martin. 

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

And Perdue made millions working for a company that no longer exists. That does not seem like a well run organization.

td1234
td1234

@AuntieChrist @td1234 Moderates and independents win elections, unless one party has overwhelming majorities. Nunn is not looking for that progressive vote as much as she is attempting to get the over 65 white vote that had fond memories of Sam and his strong military views.  

td1234
td1234

@NWGAL Who said we were? This is about if a person wants to vote for another person that holds traditional values (where a woman takes the last name of the person they choose to marry) or if you want to vote for a person that does not believe in these values. 


If Mary Martin wants to drop this long term traditional value of the people of this state then what other traditional values has she also dropped and we are unaware of? Does Georgia want to send a person to DC to represent them that does not hold the same common core set of traditional values? 

honested
honested

@td1234 @Kamchak 

Isn't that the same, inaccurate, lunatic prediction you made for kingston?

Again, get used to saying it....

Senator Nunn!!

Kamchak
Kamchak

If she was anything other than either a radical progressive or a self serving individual then her name would be Mary Martin.

Liz Cheney says, "What?"

DannyX
DannyX

@td1234, well, at least you're not calling Nunn a 'sl ut' 100 times a day like you did to Sandra Fluke a few years ago when she was in the news, thats progress for you!    

NWGAL
NWGAL

Baumer, if we were petty like some on the teaside, we would call Perdue Junior. Like the lack of respect attributed to Nunn for choosing to maintain her professional name, he is disrespecting his father by not including the Junior on his name. But we are all free to use whatever legally recognized name we wish. The pettiness of the teaside is part of the decay of political discourse.

td1234
td1234

@Baumer_1 When a business model is no longer viable in the market then it shuts down and even the CEO has to go and find other employment. When a non-profit or government model does not work then they ask for more money from the producers in society. 

honested
honested

@td1234 @NWGAL 

There hasn't been a Senator from Georgia that holds my 'core values' in over a decade.

I do look forward to having one in November.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234 I have yet to hear sara palin refer to herself as Mrs. Todd Palin. Ditto for Mrs. Marcus Bacchmann, Mrs Robert Dole. That is 'traditional.'

Kamchak
Kamchak

This is about if a person wants to vote for another person that holds traditional values (where a woman takes the last name of the person they choose to marry) or if you want to vote for a person that does not believe in these values. 

Liz Cheney says, "What?"

td1234
td1234

@honested Nope. I did not make a prediction in that race because it was to hard to get a read with such a small turnout predicted. 


As I stated this morning, Senator Nunn retired many years ago and we are not going to have another Senator Nunn from GA. 

td1234
td1234

@DannyX I did not have to call Fluke a sl ut because her own statements told everyone what she was. 

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

Only if they choose to shut the company down. It can still exist as an unprofitable company. There are thousands of businesses out there that do so...market forces aside, there is a choice made by individuals to close th euro business.

DannyX
DannyX

@td1234, producers in society?  I'd sure like to know what exactly you produce while you're on the ajc blogs day and night.

td1234
td1234

@Kamchak


As I have already explained to your dense self once today, Chaney kept her name for self enrichment purposes. Either Mary Martin did the same or because she is a radical feminist. 

Kamchak
Kamchak

Self serving?

Your words, not mine, sport.

Just remindin'.

DannyX
DannyX

@td1234, don't lie td, especially on Sunday!  You followed your hero Limbaugh and took great joy in calling her that name several times a day, not knowing one thing about her personal life.  What statements of hers made you think that way?

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234  How is cheney 'enriching herself' by keeping her maiden name?  Does she get royalties for using it?  

One can only conclude that she too is a 'radical feminist.'  Who knew?

Kamchak
Kamchak

Telling the same lie twice on the Sabbath.

Satan must be really proud of you.

td1234
td1234

@Kamchak Duh. I was attempting to get through your thick skull that Liz Chaney fits the self serving part of my statement. Mary Martin either also fits the self serving or she could fit the radical feminist part of the statement. It is either one, the other or both. 


sport

td1234
td1234

@DannyX The statement that she made that was played over and over again about having to have the government pay for enough protection to have sex multiple times per day. 


If the name fits then what is wrong with using it? 


My mom, wife and sister called her a sl ut and a woman that gives all other women a bad name. 

td1234
td1234

@AuntieChrist Using her father's name opens doors that would never be otherwise opened if she was using her married name. Same as Mary Martin. If she placed her married name on the ballot in GA. then she would be behind by at least 20 in the polls. 

td1234
td1234

@Kamchak Obviously you have some real good relations with Satan. I have never spoken to him, unlike you.

Kamchak
Kamchak

It is either one, the other or both. 

Lying makes the baby Jesus cry, especially on the Sabbath.

Why do you hate the baby Jesus?

Do you hate the baby Jesus because you worship Satan?

Why do you worship Satan?

BuckheadBoy
BuckheadBoy

@td1234 "My mom, wife and sister called ... . " Well, that's one woman's opinion. But, the thousands who last month nominated Ms. Fluke to be called "Senator" most certainly would disagree.

DannyX
DannyX

@td1234, please provide the quote, if it happened it should be very easy to find.

Kamchak
Kamchak

If she placed her married name on the ballot in GA. then she would be behind by at least 20 in the polls. 

Got proof?

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234  So, cokie roberts, airest of air heads, has been a contributor to various newspapers, ABC news and other editorial outlets based on her sterling analysis and keen mind.  Being the daughter of one of the most powerful politicos of the 60's-70's had nothing to do with it?  Those doors would have opened based on her ability, right? No one knew she was the daughter of Hale Boggs, that was a closely guarded secret. Just as liz cheney' identity would not be known outside of a small circle of friends, if she took her married name.

td1234
td1234

@Kamchak I profess my faith that Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior. Do you? 

DannyX
DannyX

@td1234,......and even if she did say that what is wrong with having sex?  Does your wife have sex?  What did Limbaugh need with all the viagra he had?  Do you have sex?

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234 " I profess my faith that Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior."

You, and the majority of people in this country calling themselves 'Christians' make Jesus Christ puke every time you use his name.

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@td1234 @Kamchak td He may be your savior but given your repeated lies and disrespect for others here, He sure isn't your Lord.

He would call you a Pharisee.

Kamchak
Kamchak

 I profess my faith that Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior.

You continually lie, especially on the Sabbath.

You hate the baby Jesus.

td1234
td1234

@DannyX @td1234 What is wrong is that she wants the government to pay for her to have as much sex as she wants. I personally do not care what she does as long as I do not have to pay for her to do it or the consequences of her actions if she does not take responsibility. 

NWGAL
NWGAL

Auntie, do remember that the same people who moan and groan about the sanctity of cell clusters want to send living children back to near certain death.

td1234
td1234

@AuntieChrist @td1234 Yes, I am sure he is more happy with the party that allows and supports putting to death thousands of children each year or the party that denied God in public three times at their own convention. 


AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@NWGAL Matthew 19: 14  Jesus said, 'Suffer the children, and forbid them not, to come unto me,.....

They interpret that to read "Suffer, children," while they forbid them to come here.  Thankfully there are enough real Christians who are willing to take them in here and provide refuge.

NWGAL
NWGAL

And the greatest of virtues is charity. Just pick the cheapest way.

td1234
td1234

@NWGAL Maybe the answer is for us to send in our military to these countries that are so bad and clean them up so that the children can grow up instead of having them all come here?


It would be way less expensive to the tax payer in the long run. 

td1234
td1234

@AuntieChrist @NWGAL Matthew 7: 15


"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?…

td1234
td1234

@NWGAL Yes, the charity of the individual not the enslavement by the government. 

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234   Maybe the answer is for us to send in our military to these countries that are so bad and clean them up so that the children can grow up instead of having them all come here?

And maybe that is the crux of the problem, that began in the 80's when oliver north an the behest of raygun sent enough armaments to Hondurus, Salvador and Nicaragua to murder half the population of S. America, These guns are now in the hands of paramilitary thugs who terrorize these nations. 

Add to that the so-called drug war, and its idiocy of prohibition, which has created fortunes for these thugs, just as prohibition created the violence of al capone and lucky luciano, and corrupted half the judges and politicos in every major city in America.

Just another example of the 'successful' conservative policies you are always reminding us of.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234    I believe you just gave us a very accurate description of jody hice, pat robertson, and 99% of the preachers on AM radio and TV. 

td1234
td1234

@AuntieChrist So we should be a nation of drug addicts even more than we are today with illegal drugs. Very nice. We could win the war on drugs if we had the will too as a nation but we will never win it as long as we have a portion of the population that wants to legalize drugs.  

td1234
td1234

@CherokeeCounty No I am very clear on false profits. There is no way the Democratic party party can take the moral ground as long as they advocate abortion. 

NWGAL
NWGAL

Cherokee, some people have spent a life time being small while proclaiming it as virtuous.

td1234
td1234

@AuntieChrist @td1234 Lets compare Hice to an entire party that advocates the killing of millions and millions of unborn children each and every year. 


There is NO progressive that will ever have the moral high ground as long as abortions are not only advocated but insisted on and paid for by the progressive philosophy. 

NWGAL
NWGAL

The righteous burn others, not themselves. Heaven forbid that they suffer in the slightest for others.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234 We already are a nation of drug addicts, just go to a NASCAR event and count the falling down drunks there. Look at a county jail web site, and see how many are in there for DUI, spousal abuse due to alcohol.  Look at the lives lost/ruined due to that drug.  

You just hate the idea of someone peacing out on a little weed.  Some 'libertarian' you are.

NWGAL
NWGAL

No one advocates abortion. But some of us don't think the government should force women to carry a fetus to term. That was what the Soviet Union did. That is what tyrants do.

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@td1234 @AuntieChrist And hundreds of Georgians will die this year because of our refusal to accept already paid for Medicaid.

You're okay with that.

You need not bother lecturing us about morals.

td1234
td1234

@AuntieChrist I have been an advocate of stopping as much drinking as possible. 


You are changing the subject. Weed is in no way the problem in central America. It is cocaine and meth. 

td1234
td1234

@NWGAL You have not read much material from NARAL and other key supporters of the Democratic party now have you. 


The question is not about government forcing people to carry a baby to birth but rather: 


1: The responsibility of the people that created life to take care of the life they created. 


2: The biggest question is equality. Either we are a land that everyone is created equal or we are not. Notice the word "created". 

td1234
td1234

@CherokeeCounty If they die then it is due to their own irresponsibility to not buy insurance. 


The difference between you and I is that you do not believe people should take responsibility for their actions and I believe people that rely on government to provide for their basic needs are just as good as dead because they are a slave of the government. 

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@td1234 Weed, coke, meth, doesn't matter. Prohibition is the problem because it makes it profitable.  And what someone chooses to put in their body, meth coke weed, or 50 big macs a week, is none of your business, just as a lady's visit to her doctor is none of your business.

NWGAL
NWGAL

Td, no, I haven't read much from NrAL. But Ii have read enough of your bilge for a lifetime. I really do pity you. The world is much bigger and more complex than you see it to be.

td1234
td1234

@AuntieChrist @td1234 And as soon as we can get the rest of the people to decide that the consequences of peoples actions will not be bailed out with tax payer money then we will be able to agree. 

td1234
td1234

@NWGAL The world is as complicated as a person wishes to make it. 


Either you believe in a core set of mores, ethics and values that guide you in your decision making process or you stumble around attempting to make everything look gray and you really believe in nothing.