Posted: 4:16 pm Tuesday, June 17th, 2014

Debunking a Jason Carter sound bite 

By Jim Galloway

Last Friday, Jason Carter, the Democratic candidate for governor, addressed the Georgia School Board Association as it held its annual gathering in Savannah.

Someone over at PeachPundit.com has helpfully provided a 15-second clip from Carter’s 45-minute appearance – which the Georgia Republican party jumped on this afternoon:

In case you wondered what came before and after that unartful edit, we’ve got a meatier sound bite here:

And a transcript of the same below, with the video-clipped portion marked in bold:

Carter: “Let me start, number one, on the tax issue. First of all, it is a false choice to say that we’ve done this without raising taxes. Ninety-one school districts have had to raise taxes.

“And nobody, nobody, thinks that it’s better to pay for our education system on the backs of property taxes than it is with the state revenue stream. Period. Number two, we cannot, and I would not ask the people of Georgia to pay more in state taxes, right now, because our state government is a shell game, and you cannot go to the people and say that you should pay more taxes.

And I wouldn’t because they can’t trust the politicians to do what they say they’re going to do with their money. That’s just a fact.

“So, the answer for how we live within our means and still support education in ways that make sense is priorities. If you put that state budget together the way that I have described, yes, there will be difficult budgeting decisions on the other side of that ledger. And, yes, we will have to make ends meet, and yes there will be tough choices.

“But, now, we balance our budget on the backs of the education fund to the tune of a billion dollars a year. Now, whether that whole billion dollars goes back in, I don’t make that kind of a promise because we’re going to have to work with the Legislature, and we’re going to have to work with local school boards to figure out exactly what is the appropriate level of funding.

“But, I know that if we instill some accountability into that budgeting process, it will change. It will be honest; it will be transparent; and right now it is not. And, I believe that if we do that, then we will have a discussion and a dialogue about how much and how to fund education that will drive us forward.

“And we will not have to raise taxes to do that. We will make tough budgeting decisions, but instead of making those tough budgeting decisions by eating our seed corn, and skimping on the mortgage and gas and food that we have to have for our families, we’ll not take the vacations….”

The bad thing about modern politicking is that everything is recorded — as Carter himself recently discovered. The good thing is that everything is recorded — and that misleading edits can be exposed as the bone-headed attempts at propaganda they are. Look, it’s fine to criticize Carter and his education-first proposal for state budgeting. He can, and should, be required to point to the areas of government he would shrink in order to pay for his priorities.

But coherent dialogue is important, people, as is context. Let’s raise the level when we can.

131 comments
CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

The first areas to shrink (eliminate) are "Go Fish" and "Go Build."  Then get rid of all those false agencies that Perdue and Deal  established just to give their political cronies jobs. Reduce the cost of healthcare by forcing hospitals and healthcare suppliers to justify their pricing, pass laws to get rid of quacks who are the real problem with malpractice law suits, and implement ACA. 

Lynn43
Lynn43

If the only way republicans and tea partiers can win elections is to take things out of context and repeat it, then shame on them.  They need a better platform.  I heard the speech along with over 700 people.  We know what he said and what he meant.  Making it into something else will only make a FOOL of those who choose to do so.  I'm very sorry for those of you on these blogs that do not EVER find anything positive to say. 

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

Jason " Empty Suit " Carter will put his foot in his mouth again, that's why he has keep his mouth shut whenever possible, just like Michelle Nunn who does not even want the public to think of her as a Democrat. Both are trying to use their names to get them into public office because they have no other qualifications

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

Those Carter quotes were from Friday the 13th of June.  Very unlucky when they are used against him in the Fall.  At least the Galloway quote was today, but will be almost equally unlucky when used since it is a man bites dog type item.

MHSmith
MHSmith

I probably don't agree with much the young Mr. Carter believes in politically and philosophically on the social issues of our time and his priorities in my view are not in the right order. Healthcare should be first, then education and both deserve full public funding at the federal level directly sent back to the individual into personal health and education savings accounts "tightly and heavily regulated" by state and federal departments of revenue regulatory laws for use to deliver their rightful intended purposes to each individual and the size of subsidy required should be made accordingly based on the individual's financial inabilities, for the "need" of all is equally a human requirement for the protection of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

How we meet these two financial obligations as a society is debatable, their order of priority isn't with me. That said, Mr Carter as well as the others of his political strip need to realize money alone is not going to answer or fix the problems of education or is it going to be any different with healthcare at number one. 

If the level of our dialogue and the context thereof are to be raised, particularly on healthcare and education, then we will have to first raise the moral grounds upon which we now stand on from the political low ground to the humanitarian high ground that says taking decent private sector healthcare insurance coverage off the table of 600,000 Georgians is not only practicing bad medicine, it is nothing short of a totally unacceptable bad idea. 

In closing I will charge everyone with this statement that I impose on myself first:

"We should not concern ourselves so greatly over who is raising, or going to raise, our amounts of taxation, as we should greater concern ourselves with who is lowering, or going to lower, our moral values and humanity for one another."

On that note the verbally challenged cluster flub misspeaking Jason Carter has already won what is most important in this dialogue, Jim.  

   



The_Centrist
The_Centrist

I have to admit, I never thought Galloway would say this about Carter (even if buried at the end of a long, hopeless defense):  "He can, and should, be required to point to the areas of government he would shrink in order to pay for his priorities."

I don't think he can or will, though.  Obsfucation works for Democrats in the liberal media and most posters here.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Unfortunately, the CORRECT quote will not be as widely distributed, or as loudly distributed.

honested
honested

"I know that if we instill some accountability into that budgeting process, it will change. It will be honest, it will be transparent and right now it is not"

He's right about that, but republiklans in the General Assembly have their retirement accounts staked on opacity, self-aggrandizement and prevention of honest budgeting.

PSWallace
PSWallace

"Let’s raise the level when we can."

To the John Lewis "Bull Connor again" level, I presume?

NWGAL
NWGAL

You'd think Taxes were one of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse instead of a shared commitment to forging a better and safer country.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

Who here thinks Galloway successfully "debunked" the "not now" quote?  

Anyone think it might come up in campaign spots along with Galloway's added "difficult budgeting decisions" and "tough choices" quotes?

honested
honested

@CuriousPrime 

Unfortunately, a huge campaign to educate the doofus vote as to why those items are critically important would be necessary.

Viracocha711
Viracocha711

@CuriousPrime Excellent Comment...If we lived in a REALITY BASED STATE instead of a talk radio fueled state we would vote out Nathan Deal simply due to his corrupt ways!!

BuckheadBoy
BuckheadBoy

@CuriousPrime But, shouldn't we start with re-visiting the couple of billion dollars in tax incentives doled-out to the "job creators" over the past four years -- that is, shrink shrank revenue first? 

GB101
GB101

@Lynn43 But he did pause and say "right now" before he continued.  If he says not "right now" he is necessarily implying the possibility of raising taxes at some time other than "right now."  

MHSmith
MHSmith

@Lynn43 If only it were as one sided as your subjectivity suggests your reason for  sorrow would be less by half. 

td1234
td1234

@Lynn43 You mean like all the Democrats saying Deal is guilty of corruption when he has yet to be even accused of a crime?

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

@Infraredguy - Jim Galloway will probably not be allowed to be a moderator for any debate with Carter now (but maybe able to pitch softballs to Nunn).  The Republicans in the audience would boo every time he asked a question until/unless he asked what areas of government Carter would shrink in order to pay for his priorities.  It will be pretty chilly in the AJC offices for a while.  Bluestein and Malloy got a good lesson and may move up sooner due to a retirement or "promotion".

honested
honested

@The_Centrist 

obfuscation works.....

One need look no further than nathan deal to prove that theorem.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

I can visualize that TV ad displaying the above attributed quote with a deep voiceover reading "Even the liberal Atlanta Journal Constitituion's Political Insider blogger, Jim Galloway has this to say about Jason Carter ..."

Ouch.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

@Wascatlady - Sure it will "We cannot and I would not ask the people of Georgia to pay more in state taxes … right now.”

Also the added quote about undefined "difficult budgeting decisions" and "tough choices".

Oh, you mean the extraneous stuff before and after meant as a diversion.  You're right, that stuff will get filtered out like separating wheat from chaff.

td1234
td1234

@honested And exactly how would he institute accountability working with a veto proof legislature whose number 1 goal would be to make sure he was a one term governor? 

honested
honested

@NWGAL 

At least old school, REAL conserrrrrrrrrrrrrrvatives realized that money to pay for war debt and other debt had to come from revenue, mostly from those who would rather pay it than lose their comfortable situation in the event of a revolution or other unfortunate consequence.

Nowdays, there is the absurd belief that taxing poverty is more necessary to 'reward' those lucky enough to scramble to the top.

Reality always tends to balance things out and the longer it takes, the more those at the top wish they had just paid their dang taxes!!

PoliticalOutsider
PoliticalOutsider

NWGAL

Exactly. The far right continues to trade DOWN and not up. Less education? Fine! Less healthcare? Fine! Roads crumbling? Fine! What's next for the no tax crowd? Why don't we bring back polio?

I wonder if td or Eduktr needed brain surgery, would they be happy with the cheapest doctor they could find? My guess is they would want the best one they could find. Well, that's what I want for our state. I want Georgia to be the best we can be, not the cheapest, most regressive state in the union.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

So, after an hour not even one of the liberal AJC posters is going along with Galloway's "debunked" defense of Carter.  (One says it didn't even need to be debunked)

Ominous.

DS
DS

@The_Centrist What's to debunk? I mean, I appreciate Jim's reporting to give a wider context to the quote, but I didn't think the "artfully edited" quote was controversial anyway. 

I did get a chuckle out of the clunky edit, though.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

Being secular, pro-choice, in favor of Buffet rule tax brackets, support a Provisional status for ILLEGAL aliens, in favor of Common Core educational standards, voting for moderate Democrats, opposing Debbie Dooley and Attorney General Sam Olens has me well to the left of Republicans. 

Admittedly, I am well to the right of the mostly knee-jerk partisan Democrats who post here and I skip over since they can't even see the center from their radically extreme wing. I do point out the gross AJC leftist bias and known sock puppets, too.  Well centered.

td1234
td1234

@BuckheadBoy Yes, NY is running ads offering 10 years no taxes for companies to move there so let us get rid of the incentives and the jobs so then we will not need more education funding.

honested
honested

@GB101 @Lynn43 

If raising taxes is necessary to meet the budgetary needs, then then taxes should be raised.

No crime is committed!

What instills validity of this 'no more taxes, ever' lunacy in some people?

honested
honested

@MHSmith @Lynn43 

PAY ATTENTION, it is that one sided.

Luckily, the last redistricting has drawn the 'safe' districts as far as they can go, so only a slight enlightenment in each district will change things back, forever.

GaBlue
GaBlue

@td1234


Actually, Gov. Deal has been accused of a number of unethical things that constitute "corruption." What's a crime (IMO) is that it's apparently not a crime for a Georgia politician to do the things he has indeed done. What's more sad than criminal is that people like you defend him. He's trash, td. I can respect you standing on principles even if I disagree with you, but if you defend this lemon, you're tossing your principles in the garbage. 

That being said, what does Deal's corruption have to do with taking Carter's statement completely out of context?

td1234
td1234

@Lynn43 How about Kingston being guilty of corruption because his campaign accepted contributions from a felon and then gave the money back when the campaign learned of the circumstances?   

The-Centrist
The-Centrist

Gotta tell you, _centrist, if you're as arrogant and offensive IRL as you are on these blogs, it's no wonder you have time to post here all day long.

What a jerk.

Now, I'll let you toss  up your silly whine, instead of doing it for you.

PoliticalOutsider
PoliticalOutsider

td

You're rather naive about the inner workings of state government. The Georgia constitution gives the Governor a lot of power, and believe me, they use it. The Legislature is not veto proof right now, and a strong Governor will have his way. Hasn't the GOP learned yet that being an obstructionist without offering solutions is why they are in a death spiral?

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

@honested @NWGAL Many of them don't even scramble to the top.  Those that do leave their jack-boot prints on the others below.  Others don't have to scramble--they rig the game.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

@PoliticalOutsider "Cough, cough"  Well, now, political outsider, that's not a fair comparison.  td and eduktr DESERVE the best because they are, you know, the RIGHT folks, so to speak.  I mean, they DESERVE the best.

DS
DS

@The_Centrist Why "ominous?" 

Carter said he wouldn't raise taxes right now. He couldn't do it without the cooperation of the legislature anyway. And then there are the voters and reelection to think about.

I really don't think this is a big deal. Adversaries are trying to make mountains out of, well, out of nothing, really.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@The_Centrist Sorry, we can't reply to each and every voice in your head.  If you think the truth can be 'debunked,' that's your delusion, and it is not incumbent on rational people to cater to your fantasies.

honested
honested

@The_Centrist 

That just makes you 'sentient' as opposed to being a run of the mill, knee jerk wrong-winger.

You have miles to the left to move to approach the 'center'.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@The_Centrist 

Being secular, pro-choice...

 Uh huh , and I will have a threesome this evening with Catalina Otalvaro and Catrinel Menghia at the Holiday Inn Express.

td1234
td1234

@GaBlue For one I have not defended Deal and do not support him. If you remember I was on this very blog, almost begging the readers, to vote him out in the primary. 


The difference is I belief that the principles currently prescribed by the progressive left in this country is even more morally corrupt than any self aggrandizing personal corruption Deal has done and I do not like Deal.


Carter is no better than his grandfather and I despise almost everything Jimmy stands for.


I will look at the polls a few weeks before the election and decide if I will vote my conscience or I will vote for my philosophy. I am over 90% sure I will be able to vote my conscience and not for Deal but it will not be for Carter.  

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

This is a screen name stealing, liberal hypocrite sock puppet.  While it shows his/her lack of integrity and ethics, it also shows how far at least this one leftist will go with such "debate" tactics and those who won't condemn them.

Scum.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

@PoliticalOutsider - GOP in a "death spiral"?  Large majority in the U.S. House, on the verge of taking over the U.S. Senate, majority of U.S. state legislatures, majority of state Governorships, veto proof GA Senate, large majority in the GA House, GA Governorship, both GA U.S. Senators, huge majority of the GA U.S. House delegation, and every single state-wide GA elected office.

So much for your laughable "death spiral".

td1234
td1234

@PoliticalOutsider I will agree that the Constitution gives the Governor considerable power when it comes to running the day to day operations of the government but has very little power when it comes to the budget. 


The house currently has 180 members (119 Republicans, 60 Democrats and 1 independent). To override a veto would be 2/3 vote or 118 votes. The Senate is 56 members and there are 38 Republicans and 18 Democrats. 2/3 override a veto would be 38. 


In other words the Legislature is going to be veto proof. 

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

@DS - Think of the sound bites from that speech in TV ads, and the onscreen quote attributed to the AJC Political Insider Jim Galloway: "He can, and should, be required to point to the areas of government he would shrink in order to pay for his priorities."

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

@AuntieChrist - Rare that I bother to read your leftist manifestos, much less reply.  But I have to agree with you here that the truth can't be 'debunked', and Jim did not do Carter any favors attempting to deflect.  He only made it worse by adding his undefined "difficult budgeting decisions" and "tough choices" which also is going to come back to bite him.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

@Kamchak - You probably will watching a PPV movie there with them in it until your wrist gets tired.  Glad I stay at higher rated hotels - ew.

Viracocha711
Viracocha711

@td1234 @GaBlue What is your "conscience"? How is Carter's want to feed the poor morally worse than any Republican's want to remove that food from the mouth of the poor & give to the rich in tax breaks? 


And they call themselves "Christians"...Morally superior "Christians"???

GaBlue
GaBlue

@td1234


But you ARE defending Deal. Maybe you don't think you are, but you are when you attack the Democrats for pointing out the same things that you say you don't like about him. It's an election year, so yeah, he'll take it. Honestly, none of us knows for SURE whether Carter will be awesome or be corrupted by power like those before him. But we DO know for sure that Deal has already succumbed to the temptations.


As for the Grandfather bit: LAME.  Seriously, are you the exact same person as your grandfather? (For the purpose of this question, pick your least favorite.) Is it fair to judge you in this century by what your grandfather did in the last? If you think so, then I've been giving you way too much credit.


honested
honested

@The_Centrist 

Comrades Let Us To Celebrate

Democrats=Bad

Taxes=Worse

Civilization=Socialist Plot

Poverty=Good

Ignorance=Better

Middle Ages=Bliss


War is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength

Georgia Republiklan Party Forever......


Orwell just didn't realize how willing the sheep would be!!

honested
honested

@td1234 @PoliticalOutsider 

Luckily, more Georgians every day wake up to the danger of such an imbalance in a 'representative' body.

Arrogance produces change, so keep talking.

honested
honested

@The_Centrist @DS 

Shrink?

None!!

Raise the revenue necessary to pay for the mistakes of the past FIRST, then cut the ridiculous wastes (especially the ones that have bubbled up since 2003) later.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@The_Centrist 

You probably will watching a PPV movie there with them...

We didn't last night, so there is no reason to believe that we will tonight. I did, however learn the need to hydrate.

td1234
td1234

@honested Well since you are getting an education tonight then I might as well mention that in this coming election 90% of the legislators are running unopposed in the general election which assures the "imbalance" will continue for at least two more years. 



honested
honested

@td1234 @honested 

No, my 'children' are about their effective enterprise.

I just marvel at the self delusion of the wrong wing in this state and the absolute, total lack of comprehension they have to the public's perception of failure of conserrrrrrrrvative policies (mythology).

If you want to continue to govern, you must be able to LEAD!

td1234
td1234

@honested Keeping taxes low, small government and getting out of the way of people and letting them succeed or fail on their own is leadership. It is the progressive movement only that believes nothing is happening unless it is led by the government.