Posted: 3:40 pm Sunday, June 1st, 2014

Jason Carter to counter GOP TV assault on Medicaid expansion 

By Greg Bluestein

Democrat Jason Carter’s campaign faced a crossroads last week when the Republican Governors Association unleashed the first wave of attack ads aimed at subverting his gubernatorial bid.

The question was whether to try to counter the television blitz for a few weeks in the summer or conserve the cash for ads closer to November, when more voters tune in.

We now know the answer: Carter’s camp on Sunday said it was offering a “sneak peek” of an upcoming TV spot to people who sign up at his website. (Spoiler: The ad’s not quite ready for showtime yet.)

We’re told it will serve as more of an introduction to Carter’s policies, rather than a retaliatory swipe at his opponent, Gov. Nathan Deal.

The RGA’s ad, which targets Carter’s advocacy for an expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, was the type of barrage that Republicans hope could help Deal boost his standing in tightening polls.

Carter’s camp, for its part, said the RGA onslaught had nothing to do with the timing for its own ad, which it said has been in the works for weeks.

“While we don’t usually comment on campaign strategy, I can tell you that we don’t let Governor Deal’s D.C. money groups dictate our plans,” said campaign spokesman Bryan Thomas.

An image from Democrat Jason Carter's upcoming ads.

An image from Democrat Jason Carter’s upcoming ads.

127 comments
CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

So the Republican Governors Committee that is lead by Chris Christy is throwing mud on behalf of Nathan Deal?  Counterpoint for the DGC would be to produce an ad about Deal regarding ethics, character, leadership, and taking responsibility. 

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

I still don't get why Republicans are opposed to the ACA...every little argument they have come up with to voice their opposition has been empirically debunked.  


But, like the attack ad the RGA released shows, it appears this group of people is more interested in misinformation than reality.

MoFaux
MoFaux

Let me get this straight:

Some of you Republicans are doing cartwheels to give the Braves or Falcons millions in public money to build a stadium, which are owned by a billionaires that could easily finance the construction without the corporate welfare giveaways.  All the while, you seem to have a problem with upper class folks giving up $5,000 in HOPE so that more needy kids can afford to go to college.  I'm sorry, but I fail to see any sense in this logic.  Having said that, I would like to see the cap raised a bit higher than the $140,000 that Carter has proposed...or better yet, just legalize gambling (and prostitution and marijuana while we're at it) and remove the cap altogether.  Then, we can all join a drum circle and sing kum ba yah together.  If you're making $500,000 and can't afford to spend an additional $5000 on your own child's education so that your poor neighbor raking in "only" $134,000 can use the money, then frankly, you deserve to feel victimized.  It's the middle and upper middle class that needs to worry here, as the really poor students that are successful should get enough support from both Fed/State.  I also agree with Elizabeth Warren, in that student loan interest rates should be lowered considerably...why are we raking in revenue off the backs of our most needy college grads?

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Jason Carter: 

(1) "Spend $20,000 to sit by me and my Grandpa in church, hallelujah!"

(2) "I will take away HOPE from the most successful high school students in this state simple because their parents are "well-off"".

(3) "I represent DeKalb County and have done absolutely nothing for the county"

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

Jason Carter, just a empty suit trying to use his family's name to raise money from outside the State Liberals to win the office. Carter's big problem is trying to keep his GrandPa on the porch with his mouth shut and claim he does not know any Washington Democrats while he is asking them for money on the sly LOSER

lvg
lvg

Love that ad about Carter and Medicaid- fails to mention that Georgia taxpayers have been funding other state's Medicaid expansion for years but our hospital rates continue to rise because of Reagan care- free care for all the uninsured  and illegal at at high cost ER with no funding source. Funny how  the cons (probably the Koch jokers) left that out of those anti- Carter ads.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

The ads on behalf of Deal I saw were not "attack ads" but outlined the Carter stances he would rather not emphasize now that he has the Democratic nomination.  Campaigning in the middle is a good tactic, but the other side will use the past record instead of campaign promises.

DirtyDawg
DirtyDawg

Fourteen years of Republican rule has FUBARed this state to the point that anyone with even half a brain and an once of pride in the reputation Georgia used to enjoy, will have no problem sending the 'ethically challenged', Goober II, on down the road. It's time for leadership that will return Georgia to her position at the Leader of The New(er) South...one that values a better life for all her residents instead of policies driven by greed, prejudice and opportunism for the few.

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@CuriousPrime


They probably will not throw away any money on this race...we will see though, nobody expected the RGA to spend anything down here. Although it is only a $500k ad buy.


Carter's best hope is to have these federal indictments come down before the election...but the Obama DOJ has shown it prefers to not interfere with elections and will probably wait until after the election. Its too bad, I am really interested in seeing how the GA electorate reacts to another corrupt Republican governor.  It probably wouldn't matter...but I would like to rub that in their faces.




td1234
td1234

@Baumer_1 It is simple. It is just another mean tested program that gives away billions of dollars when we can not afford it. 


Do away with the supplements, expansion of Medicaid and the mandate and most Republicans would not have a problem with states running exchanges to allow people better access to the market to purchase insurance. 

td1234
td1234

@MoFaux It is you that do not get the pure concept of the Hope is to reward the best, brightest and most hard working students in the state regardless of any litmus test. The children that work the hardest get the reward. 


On top of that, all children are poor, they do not have the money it is their parents that have money. All children are on equal grounds and they all have the ability to to make the necessary grades it is which ones want it the most and are willing to sacrifice the social time to achieve their goals.  

honested
honested

@MiltonMan 

What is it you have against people paying their own way when they can.

So you only support Socialism when it benefits the more well heeled?

honested
honested

@Infraredguy 

So can I infer you really enjoy living in a state that has found the bottom in all measures?

td1234
td1234

@lvg Georgians have not been funding it. China has because we are running a debt every year and it has only grown under Obama. 

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Yes this state was so wonderful under 130+ years of democrat-control.  Please remind us again what all those years of dems running the state did for us???

td1234
td1234

@DirtyDawg How did the Republicans mess up the state? 


Georgia is a state that values hard work, personal responsibility and keeping their own money to spend as they seem fit. We do not want to give our money to the government to redistribute to people that refuse to work hard, make good grades and get a good education. We do not want to reward people that want to have children out of wedlock or that want to drink or do drugs and not take care of their own personal needs.  

td1234
td1234

@Baumer_1


First you stated you do not even live in Georgia so we really could careless what you think of our politics. 


2: I know you have been "rubbing it in the face" of all those Democrats in IL where their governors are actually in jail? 


3: You are correct that the Dems are not going to spend money in GA. because Nate Silver has only given Carter a 26% chance in winning last week. 

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@td1234


Most are already fine with it...so long as you do not call it Obamacare.


And it isn't a means-tested program.  Anyone can participate regardless of income.  Do you have a problem with tax breaks for the non-wealthy? That is the only 'means-test' in the law.  

MoFaux
MoFaux

@td1234 @MoFaux Apparently you forgot that when HOPE started, it had cap limits on it.  After two years, the cap was removed.  Just some history for you.  So, you are 100% incorrect  to say that the HOPE scholarship was originally created "to reward the best, brightest and most hard working students in the state regardless of any litmus test."  The "pure concept" definition has conveniently changed over the years, depending solely on funding.


We are ALL best served by an educated population.  What kind of mental gymnastics are you performing to think that all children are on equal grounds?  Do you honestly believe that children from richer families do not have ANY advantage?  Or, are you one of those people who believe blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites and that richer school zones get better grades because they aren't lazy and poor (and for you, lazy and poor are synonymous)?

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

The son is in dental school at GRU after graduating the top of his high school class & using Zell Miller to pay from some of his school at UGA even though he had numerous scholarships from outside GA schools.  The daughter just graduated #2 in her class and is attending UGA on Zell also after turning down Vandy.  Would you prefer these uber-successful kids to go to school out of state so we can educate your flunky liberal buddies from APS?  How much HOPE money is spents/has been spent on remedial "training" for these kids who are ill-prepared for college?

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

...and when the dems were in control for 130+ years, we were on top in all measures???  Life is good up here buddy - low crime, great schools and very, very few libs.

BuckheadBoy
BuckheadBoy

@td1234 @lvg Except that only 8% is held by China. The majority is held by "We the People", individually and severally through our governmental entities -- that is, by Georgians just like me and even you. And, by the way, a far greater percentage of the debt run-up by the founding fathers was held by France than China now holds; and in recent times, more was held by Japan. What evil came to us from that?

honested
honested

@td1234 @lvg 

I'm glad that we at least agree a massive tax increase is in order.

RadicalRuralDem
RadicalRuralDem

@td1234 @lvg So presumably the taxes we pay go to the programs you like, and the money we borrow goes to the ones you don't? What a cute form of budgetary assessment.

honested
honested

@MiltonMan 

Yep, back when Mississippi was the "business friendly" state in Site Selection Magazine.

Maybe nathan's hard work will continue to make us more like the shangri-la of Mississippi.

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

@td1234 @DirtyDawg Please list one law that the GOP has passed this century that has addreesed each of these issues.  It's daylight and the bats are sleep. 

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

And despite all of those values Georgians supposedly hold, the state has the most failed banking system in the country, the highest business failure rate in the country, almost the lowest high school graduation rate in the country, one of the highest unemployment rates and uninsured rates in the country, one of the lowest percentages of broadband access, and I am sure I am missing a lot.

It isn't so much a GOP caused mess as it is a conservative resistance to progress. Many of these problems were around before gop rule...but the GA Democratic Party in the 90s was still a conservative party...their members just switched parties.

PoliticalOutsider
PoliticalOutsider

td1234

Where do you get this "We" stuff? You got a frog in your pocket? Just insert ultra right wing tea party nut job every place you use "We". What's your objection to people making good grades and getting a good education? What business is it of yours or the government if two people are not married when they have a child? That should be their business and not yours or the government. What business is it of yours if somebody wants to drink a beer or a glass of wine? Again, that's a personal decision that is none of your business. If you are some super Christian, then why do you judge those who don't agree with you? Better brush up on your bible reading!

honested
honested

@td1234 @DirtyDawg 

Great

IF that 'talking point' standard worked, there would not be any argument, but for the average hard working Georgian, it has FAILED MISERABLY!

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@td1234


It sucks that those politicians broke the public trust...but they deserve to be in jail regardless of what party they belong to. It would be nice to see such impartiality from people like you.


Also, I still own property in GA...so I could just change my registration and vote there.  That probably won't happen unless a property tax reduction comes up...I would prefer to give a few tax dollars to GA as possible.  At least now I don't pay sales tax to GA and instead my tax dollars go to a state government that values economic development, education, and personal liberty.

td1234
td1234

@Baumer_1 Supplements are not tax breaks. The exchanges are suppose to be at the same prices offered in a company so why does someone making $30,000 per year working for a company have to pay full price while someone making $30,000 per year and their company does not offer insurance pay very little if any? 


The program is means tested. There are tiered pay scales for premiums based on income.   

td1234
td1234

@MoFaux @td1234 Just a little history lesson for you my friend. Read the debate about the HOPE. The cap was only intended for a short period of time because none of the legislatures could determine how much money would be produced by the HOPE. Once it was established a Constitutional Amendment was passed, two years later, to keep the original intent and make it a scholarship for the best, brightest and most hard working children of the state. 


Do children of wealthy parents have advantages? Maybe, if their parents use their money wisely and care. The children have no access to the money to give them an advantage. 


Education is the great equalizer and it is free to any child to receive and take advantage of if they want it. Desire and hard work can not be legislated. Those qualities are left to the individual and make the difference between success and failure. 

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

...and apparently you forgot that HOPE was loaded with extra funds AND some of the better students were leaving the state for better educational opportunities.  Libs take credit for HOPE even though is was the conservative Zell Miller that will have nothing to do with the lib party these days.

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

lazy and poor are synonymous

Bingo we have a winner.  i honestly doubt that with our friend td1234 it's a racial thing.  But the conned mantra is that every child - whether they're from an entrepreneurial family in NW GA, or from a family of meth dealers in Cherokee - has the same chance in life.

And it's a ridiculous concept that's hurting our country and state.  But it makes td1234 feel superior and gives him cover for his refusal to suppoprt programs that help others.

honested
honested

@MiltonMan 

With luck, your children will not grow up to be dolts, just the scion of a dolt.

honested
honested

@MiltonMan 

Yes, where the wrong-wing elite would rather waste their tax dollars closing down adult toy stores than coming to grips with the 21st Century. By the way, how did that work out for you?

But please stay there, it brightens our days here in Dekalb County to NOT have to put up with your ilk.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

All those metrics you speak of are high in the lib controlled areas of this state pal.  Dem party was not conservative in the 90s.  To label Roy Barnes a conservative is idiotic but expected from the liberal crowd.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

@Political Outsiders - thanks for your cluelessness.  It was the cons that gave the people the option to vote for Sunday alcohol sales.  It was the dems that passed & kept all of those blue laws in place.  Ask your "Christian" Roman Catholic buddies about being judgmental pal.  They vote libs the majority of the time.

td1234
td1234

@PoliticalOutsider It would be none of my business and I would not give a flying flip if people did not make good grades, had children out of wedlock or did drugs or drank if they took personal responsibility for their own actions and I did not have to bail them out when they can not pay for their mistakes. 

td1234
td1234

@Baumer_1 @td1234 I own property in Fl but I can not vote there legally just like you can not vote in GA legally while living in OR. 


My wife grew up in OR and she hated the progressive mentality of the state and all the people that were just plain lazy living off the Government. 

MoFaux
MoFaux

@td1234 @MoFaux So you're saying that Republican leadership has squandered the HOPE scholarship that was once such a viable, well-funded program?  Got it.

honested
honested

@td1234 @MoFaux 

'education is the great equalizer'.

Repeating that bogus meme leaves out the concept of 'access' and in this case, access always includes FUNDING.

Where in the world does your old testament reality really work?

honested
honested

@MiltonMan 

By your logic, a cap would flood Harvard with the inept children of the idle rich, right?

Get a grip.

MoFaux
MoFaux

@MiltonMan It was so loaded with "extra funds" that it had an income cap on it?  I never disputed your other point about students leaving the state, so not sure why you're even bringing that up.  Zell is fairly moderate, but according to historical fact, he was a Democratic governor.  As a "Lib", I don't take ANY credit for HOPE, but I'm sure glad it was enacted.  I would be just as happy about it if Sonny Perdue had started the program.  Unlike you, I don't have blind hatred of anyone who votes for a different candidate than I do.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Don't worry - never moving to the dump known as DeKalb.  Feel free to keep your dumpy schools, high taxes, high crime, etc.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@td1234 

... I did not have to bail them out...

Are you writing every one of these people a personal check?

Just askin'.

td1234
td1234

@MoFaux @td1234 I am saying the Higher Education industry and the runaway grade inflation in our High Schools has sucked up every bit of the money it could. 


An SAT or ACT score attached to the grade would make the HOPE more viable and weed out the grade inflation. 


I also believe that students who fluck out of college or tech school should have their scholarships transformed to loans and have to pay back the money.  

td1234
td1234

@honested @td1234 @MoFaux There is no access issue to a K-12 education and if a student has not done the hard work in these grades to prepare them for college then access to funds at a college is not worth much. 

honested
honested

@MiltonMan 

Thanks genius.

It's nice you remind me so often why I NEVER waste money in milton.

td1234
td1234

@Kamchak Nope, writing a big check to the US and state government every quarter that they redistribute.

MoFaux
MoFaux

@td1234 @MoFaux Or, we can simply FUND it appropriately.  For the record, I never said HOPE should go towards anyone who applies for it, with no restrictions.  But, it isn't "hard work" when your rich daddy makes you sleep through your SAT prep test for the 8th time, or easily pays for your 10th exam.  Poorer students probably won't get the prep classes that rich kids do, nor will they take the test several times to run up their score.  Tying SAT to the HOPE still gives rich kids a distinct advantage.  What we need is more funding, either by a new revenue stream (see original post) or by cutting the budget in other areas.

honested
honested

@td1234 @MoFaux 

If they have not done the work, then access to the money is NOT an issue.

The 'runaway grade inflation' may still be an issue in wrong wing discussion groups but the top of the grades are still the top.  Near the top is still near the top. 

Able and unable to pay are still the same as well.

What part of this calculus do you have so much trouble absorbing?

Kamchak
Kamchak

@td1234 

Nope, writing a big check to the US and state government every quarter that they redistribute.

You pay your taxes because you are obligated to, and you seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that the money you pay in taxes still belongs to you.

News flash, sport -- that money isn't yours any longer.

Just sayin'.

honested
honested

@td1234 @Kamchak 

So I guess you must have some concept of how inconsequentially tiny your 'contribution' is and how it is well within the Constitutional considerations of 'providing for general welfare', right?

td1234
td1234

@MoFaux @td1234 Test prep or no test prep the SAT has done studies that have said a student will not increase his/her score significantly from the first time they take the test with test prep classes. 


There are no short cuts for the ones with means. Either the student has worked hard and has the vocabulary and math skills or they do not. You can not make up 10, 11, 12 years of being a slacker with a couple test prep classes. 

Derwin0
Derwin0

@MoFaux @td1234 Daddy's SAT prep?  Hahaha, Most High School in Georgia having you prepping for the SAT's for half your Junior year.


As for HOPE being tied to the SAT's, you can thank grade inflation at schools like the APS, where higher GPA's are handed out like candy.

honested
honested

@MoFaux @td1234 

Agreed!

But in tiny dog's world, the rich daddy is rich because gawd likes him for his pure thoughts.

Makes it easier to see how our potty little state got in this mess.

td1234
td1234

@honested Nope, I have never read the "Great society" program in the Constitution. 

MoFaux
MoFaux

@td1234 @MoFaux I believe there is a difference between "short cut" and "advantage".  Funding is the issue, plain and simple.  I don't have problem with rich kids getting their "fair" share, as long as the funding is adequate; if not, and funding cannot be increased appropriately, then the first thing I would consider is exactly what Jason is proposing, which is to set salary caps.  Show me a daddy out there making $5 million/year that would complain about his child NOT being able to take part in the HOPE scholarship, and I will show you a daddy who deserves a punch in the face.  That same daddy probably is paying like 10% of his salary in taxes and is likely getting some kind of tax relief from the gov't as well.

honested
honested

@td1234 @honested 

Nor have I ever read anything about every fool with a waist having the Constitutional right to strut around with a popgun tied to it....

But if you can stretch the one, certainly you must be able to see the CLEAR WORDING of the other.

 

td1234
td1234

@MoFaux @td1234 You and Bed wetting Ed has some serious wealth envy issues. 


How many children do we have in this state whose parents make over $5 million per year and is eligible and take advantage of the HOPE? 10, 20 tops. 


This is insignificant amount of money in order to crush the principle of a scholarship is available to the best, brightest and most hard working children of the state. 


To do what Carter wants to do and make it economically viable then the income will need to be adjusted to between a $ 100 to $150,000 per year.  

td1234
td1234

@honested "right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" 


It does not get any clearer than that statement.

MoFaux
MoFaux

@td1234 @MoFaux I never claimed that the uber rich paying for themselves would save HOPE, but nice try.  So we're finally in agreement that we need either a new revenue stream, or else to simply add more funding from the budget to solve this issue?  Whittling down the HOPE payments towards zero isn't viable, and neither is your SAT idea (near-zero impact).  And Derwin0, some of those uber-rich kids do stay in-state.  Check out tuition rates for SCAD, Oglethorpe, Emory, etc.  As I already stated, the target audience is the middle and upper middle class kids (or really, the parents).


I'm also not a big fan of super high GPA's required in college to sustain the HOPE.  A 3.0 at Georgia Tech is significantly harder to maintain than a 3.0 at UGA (let alone GGC, or any technical school).  I think a 2.5 GPA should be sufficient.  We can "find" or "create" the funding necessary to solve this manufactured crisis.

Derwin0
Derwin0

@td1234 @MoFaux Not to mention those uber-rich children aren't going to UGA, they're going to Harvard.


The ones where Hope actually makes them stay in state as opposed to going out of state are middle class in that $100,000 to $150,000 range.

honested
honested

@td1234 @honested 

By the way, where did George Washington or Samuel Adams by their semi-automatic handguns?

Derwin0
Derwin0

@MoFaux @td1234 Yes, Emory has a much larger tuition than UGA and the like, but Hope does not pay full tuition at private schools, the amount is capped at $1854/semester.


I highly doubt $3708/yr makes those really rich people decide to stay in-state.


People going to the private schools are going without a care it Hope is there or not.

td1234
td1234

@honested Can you show me one piece of evidence from any of the founders of this nation that tells us the founders meant redistribution as the meaning of general welfare?

MoFaux
MoFaux

@Derwin0 @MoFaux @td1234 I didn't say that HOPE had anything to do with the decision to stay in-state for richies.  I am merely pointing out that expensive and prestigious colleges exist in Georgia too, to address your assertion that rich kids were emigrating elsewhere by default.  Just because you are rich does not mean you have to go out of state.  In fact, unless you can afford and be accepted into MIT, and possibly Cal State, you would be a moron to go anywhere but Georgia Tech to be an engineer.

honested
honested

@td1234 @honested 

WHAT DO THE WORDS IN THE PREAMBLE SAY?

You do realize that things evolve over time. 

I know they did not support an inherited landed gentry and did not accept the humanity of the majority of humans in the South.

However, that they did have the interest to mention 'general welfare', apparently they comprehended the need would arise.

By the way, where does it say anything about using taxpayer funds to ensure offshore petroleum profits?