Posted: 10:03 am Thursday, May 29th, 2014

Did Georgia accidentally pass a campus-carry law? 

By Greg Bluestein, Daniel Malloy and Jim Galloway

A Georgia gun group is contending that, whether he intended it or not, a set of bills signed by Gov. Nathan Deal this spring will permit the legal carrying of concealed weaponry on public university campuses.

State Rep. Ed Setzler, R-Acworth, author of one of the two gun bills, agrees. “I believe that’s where we’re going to be on July 1,” Setzler said this morning.

Your daily jolt on politics from the AJC's Political insider blogLawyers for the governor strongly disagree. Attorney General Sam Olens has been asked for a formal interpretation of the matter by many of the parties involved. Given that the issue of campus carry would quickly be enveloped in a hot gubernatorial contest, you can expect his opinion to be issued rather quickly.

At the center of the argument are two gun bills that go into effect on July 1. One is HB 826, the Setzler bill, which primarily was intended to give school officials an escape from “zero tolerance” policies regarding such things as pocket knives.

But HB 826 also did something else when it came to the carrying of concealed weapons on public school grounds. From a piece by Claire Simms that aired Wednesday on Georgia Public Broadcasting:

Under current law, permit holders are only exempt when dropping off or picking up a student from school. Under the new law, which goes into effect July 1, lawmakers struck the language pertaining to drop-offs and pickups from the bill.

That, gun enthusiasts say, means those licensed to carry concealed can carry in a school zone anytime, anywhere. Including university campuses.

What’s more, a provision in another gun bill, HB 60, they argue, which makes the General Assembly the only arbiter of where and when concealed weaponry can be carried, eliminates any countermove by the Board of Regents. From the GPB piece:

“I don’t think there can be any serious debate that that’s what it says,” said John Monroe, an attorney for the gun rights advocacy group GeorgiaCarry.org. “I mean, that’s exactly what it says is that it doesn’t apply to a license holder when in a school safety zone. I don’t know how much more clear that could be.”

But wait. When they passed HB 60 – this is the second gun measure under discussion, known as the “guns everywhere” bill – lawmakers tackled the same code subsection (16-11-127.1(c)7) dealing with weaponry and school zones.

HB 60 left in the “drop off, pick up” limitations on guns. Which would negate the campus-carry extrapolation.

Which bill rules? We’re told to expect the state – i.e., the Deal administration – to argue that because it was signed last, HB 60 holds sway over HB 826. Ergo, no campus carry.

But the issue isn’t likely to end with an opinion from an attorney general. The scent of a lawsuit is in the air.

***
One element left out, because of time and space, from accounts of Karen Handel’s endorsement of Jack Kingston in the GOP runoff for U.S. Senate on Wednesday, is the price that Handel extracted for her alliance.

Kingston was placed on a kind of female probation. Said Handel:

“I think women will look at who Jack surrounds himself with, as we go forward. Let’s be candid. Not a single woman at the federal level and in the big races advanced. That is an issue the GOP needs to work on and address in a productive way.

“And I’m confident that Jack and I will be able to work together on that, and that Jack is going to ensure that for his campaign, leading into November and then as U.S. senator, that he will have women in key roles — that he will be a supporter of women down the road who choose to run for office…..”

That final passage, by the way, might also be an answer to the question of whether Handel is finished with electoral politics.

***

Wyc Orr, an influential attorney and former state lawmaker on the Democratic side of the aisle, has died. He was 67. From AccessNorthGa.com:

He was a Gainesville attorney whose firm Orr & Brown LLP included himself and his daughter, Kristine Orr Brown.

In addition, the politically active Orr was a familiar voice on WDUN in Gainesville, both as a commentator and a participate in election coverage. Orr served two, two-year terms in the Georgia House of Representatives before leaving that body for an unsuccessful campaign for the 9th District Congressional seat in 1992.

***

Georgia Tea Party Patriots will be holding a three-day assembly in Norcross, beginning July 25th – the weekend after the primary runoffs. We’re presuming House Speaker David Ralston will not be the keynoter.

***

Gov. Nathan Deal says a drop in boating incidents over the busy Memorial Day weekend is a sign that new rules he signed into law last year have been a success.

The governor and the Georgia Department of Natural Resources released a report that showed 10 fewer boating under the influence arrests this holiday weekend compared to last year.

The law, spurred by several high-profile tragedies, lowered the blood-alcohol content limit for boaters from a .1 to a .08 and increased penalties for those caught boating while intoxicated.

Deal said those changes are a sign “the new law is working and saving lives.”

***

A new Facebook group popped up this week called “Republicans for Jason Carter” and a post that attacks Deal’s support of an immigration crackdown.

It only has a few dozen likes – one of them is Carter’s wife – and claims the Democrat “holds promise to uphold the Constitution & spend our tax money wisely.”

We’re not sure who came up with it. But we’re pretty sure it’s not Superintendent John Barge.

84 comments
JohnBoy10
JohnBoy10

Gunluvr says "I believe God wants me to be armed"..... 

This is what sane people are faced with - a radical right wing nut job invoking God on the subject of guns in bars and churches.


MattC
MattC

PROTIP: Criminals select easy prey and avoid people who can fight back.


It came to a point where I had to set a date for the Day of retribution. I originally considered doing it on Halloween of 2013. That is when the entire town erupts in raucous partying. There would literally be thousands of people crowded together who I could kill with ease, and the goal was to kill everyone in Isla Vista, to utterly destroy that wretched town. But then after seeing footage of previous Halloween events on YouTube, I saw that there were too many cops walking around. It would be too risky. One gunshot from a cop will end everything.

The above quote is straight from the UCSB killer Elliot Rodger’s sick manifesto.


RedClay-native
RedClay-native

My thought on having a Georgia Weapons Carry License is to simply provide security for myself and my family.  I will be standing beside you in line, sitting beside you in a movie, meeting you in the grocery store, and you will never know I'm armed.  I take this responsibility very seriously.  I don't look for trouble and in fact I would much rather (and do) steer clear, but I will do everything in my power to protect myself and my family should the need arise.  Statistics and polls can be researched and posted to provide compelling arguments for either side of this discussion.  When it is a matter of life or death I want to have every advantage legally available to me and my family to be the one(s) to walk away.  In "Gun Free Zones" I will not be armed, but the criminals will.  Stopping law abiding, vetted, citizens from exercising their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is not the answer.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

If the freedom to carry guns on college campuses is allowed to stand, then more college students will die of gun wounds in Georgia, imho, just as more poor/working people will die in Georgia because of the Republican decision not to expand Medicaid to these people in Georgia.


Both decisions, i.e. freer gun laws and not expanding Medicaid, are primarily Republican political choices. 


There was a fairly good movie made in the 1950s, starring Rock Hudson and Jane Wyman, called "Magnificent Obsession." The "guns everywhere" law, as well as the decision not to expand Medicaid, remind me of what I call "Irrational Obsessions" by Georgia's Republicans and by Georgia's Republican politicians.



CreamofBuckwheat
CreamofBuckwheat

Here's a little nugget for you gun wussies; trained and polished gun toters are needed in our society. There are too many nutballs out there that have absolutely no respect for or value human life. WE have become numbed by our inhumanity toward one another. This can be a good thing. You are probably a bunch of bee babies as well.

Ficklefan
Ficklefan

I am a strong Second Amendment advocate. I own several fire arms, and I, like our forefathers, firmly believe the lessons of history. A disarmed citizenry is one ripe for the plucking by monarchs, autocrats, dictators, and tyrants. 


But I also believe that it was a positive step in the march and progress of the American civilization when the need to carry firearms in frontier American, and in the west came to end. When people could begin walking safe streets without being armed, and feel safe and protected by law enforcement, that was a major step forward. 


Yes. We live in dangerous times with many bearing arms illegally and with arms being borne by those who simply should not have them. So, I am a strong advocate of laws that regulate the acquisition and ownership and licensing,  and bearing of fire arms, and when and where they can be carried . . . . not the elimination of the Constitutional right of Americans to bear them. 


That said. I'll be brief. If the Georgia State Legislature so very strongly  feels that it is in the best interest of the citizens of Georgia to be permitted to acquire concealed carry licenses, and to carry concealed fire arms into bars, schools, and churches, they it is beyond hypocritical that duly licensed and concealed fire arms cannot be carried into the Gold Dome and into both legislative houses. How these extreme gun advocates can justify that one prohibition with a straight face is beyond reason or comprehension and can only be the result of arrogant, unbridled, and cynical hypocrisy.  


Why don't they want guns in the legislative houses?  The answer is clear.  Because it would be unsafe for THEM. But, it's okay for all of the rest of us.  Unbridled arrogance, cynicism, and hypocrisy. 


I am not a Democrat, but I hope that Carter has the sense to change his position and come out against this law and expose it for what it is. It will get him my vote in November if he does. 

Quandry
Quandry

@Baumer_1

LOL

Thanks for letting me know that guns really don't kill people -that they are simply instruments of DEATH.

I really did not know this....  :)  LOL

Seriously

We need background checks and psyc evaluations completed on folks who want to carry a weapon.

I know they can get them off the street - but can't we at least try to do SOMETHING?

You can use your bear hands to kill someone but if you tried this on 50 school children - your chances of taken all of them out in a matter of seconds would not be possible and that's the point.

WE NEED SOME FORM OF GUN CONTROL.....

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Nothing those idiots do is "accidental."

Quandry
Quandry

@MiltonMan

No worries.....

All of the ads and talk (by both parties) don't add up to a hill of beans.

Bottom line - Dems are going to vote for Dems and Repubs are going to vote for Repubs PERIOD.

All of the ads and talk is just to persuade the independants that's it.

GOOD TURNOUT = GOOD FOR DEMS

POOR TURNOUT = GOOD FOR REPUBS

It's all about POWER and who will get the brass ring.......

We are just the PAWNS......

Just puppets.......

PrezObozo1
PrezObozo1

I simply do not read where the new law says CCW carriers can carry into school buildings. My determination is the new law NOW allows for, if school boards votes to allow it, willing Principles & school teachers, with training & ONLY them would be allowed to have weapons within their buildings. If the state law was not changed, the school boards would not have the authority to allow trained school employees to be armed. In simple words state law would over ride any school boards authorization & principle's/school teachers would be subject to arrest/prosecution!  Come on people. Do some research for yourselves & STOP believing politicians! ALL politicians are corrupt, dishonorable, dishonest & will willfully lie to get in power & reap the financial benefits of their office & free flowing lobbyist money, gifts & all expense paid trips & tis election time!!! The days of honorable politicians are long gone! They depend on you people who don't research anything, can't name who represents your districts but know who the top people are an American idol & all the other mindless reality shows for the lazy!

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

"Given that the issue of campus carry would quickly be enveloped in a hot gubernatorial contest, you can expect his opinion to be issued rather quickly."

Leave it to the liberal (add clueless now) AJC to state this.  Jason Carter voted for this bill!

"Republicans for Jason Carter" is liked by the liberal Mrs. Carter???  Her husband is a clown who now has a wife as a clown.

Quandry
Quandry

@Andy123

How can you compare an abortion to innocent children getting slaughtered in school.

That's like comparing apples to oranges.

I own a gun - I have a concealed carry permit but I still think we need some form of gun control.

Other than the Police or our US Military - why would anyone need to carry or use an assault rifle?

That's CRAZY.

I know  I know 'GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE - PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE"  - we need some restrictions PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK.....

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

I am inclined to agree with the governor over a paid advocate.


Right-wingers tend to do a poor job interpreting laws (partially because they don't read them in full, only the snippets their information overlords send them). 


This bit from GA Carry screams of a publicity stunt designed to rake in cash.  

Quandry
Quandry

Righties kill me. 

Both bills do not allow any gun carry in the GA state house - why?

Ok you can have them in a bar, church, or any where (that's allowed by law) but not in the GA State house.  Why is this area exempt?

Wow....What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

:)

LOL

Ulver
Ulver

I could sit in a classroom surrounded by people with handguns. (I had mine) A nutter will do as they wish; ; especially if they know no one is armed.

Andy123
Andy123

Lefties kill me.  Any pro-gun law is always about killing innocent kids, yet at the same time these lefties stand behind the right to kill millions of aborted fetuses over the years.  You lefties either want the kids alive or you don't. 

And I say that being agnostic and pro-abortion myself. 

tinala
tinala

ALL I CAN SAY, WE THE TEAHERS IN GEORGIA, LET'S  REMEMBER WHAT DEAL HE  CUT TO INCREASE OUR INSURANCE  PREMIUMS. NOW YOU MONEY TO GIVE US A RAISE, SINCE YOU ARE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION. LET'S SHOW DEAL, WE HAVE A STRONG VOTING BLOCK AND LET'S VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE. NO MORE DEAL, NO MORE DEAL!

MattC
MattC

 I would support reasonable legislation that was geared towards better mental heath awareness in the context running background checks on firearm purchase. 


I would also support legislation that would make it free for citizens to have access to the FBI NICS Check System. So we citizens can run background check on private firearm sales to strangers. It being free their is no disincentive not to use the system.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@RedClay-native 


All citizens have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."  Not all citizens, however, are as sound in mind as you seem to be.  The more guns that are freely floating around in our society, without regulation, in every place we gather, the more likely will be the possibility that those of unsound mind will use one of those guns to inflict pain upon, or even take, the lives of others, without cause. 


Please consider the need for some regulation of guns in a civilized society.  We may all support being able to drive a vehicle to give us mobility in order to "pursue our happiness," but, as a civilized society, we do not allow the right to drive to those under a certain age, or to those who have demonstrated that they are not able to drive a vehicle without harming either themselves or others, in the process of doing so.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Jason Carter is a republican??? You don't like the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution???  Then work your little liberal rear-end off to get it removed.  BTW: This country that you are blessed to live in was formed by an armed revolt.  If you had your way, we would be bowing down to the queen of England.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

So you would vote for Carter on him changing his mind on just one issue??  You say you are not a democrat but in reality you are.

MoFaux
MoFaux

@Ficklefan Um, sorry to burst that bubble, but WE ARE ALREADY DISARMED!  That is, unless you think that pistol of yours is going to stop our military.  Our military no longer uses bayonets to fight (for the most part).  We have things like tanks, RPGs, ICBMs, etc.  They use weapons that are illegal for you to buy or have possession of.  I agree with much of your post, but that tired old argument that we need guns to overthrow a tyrannical gov't no longer applies.  It is now IMPOSSIBLE to defend against some kind of tyrannical gov't.  If that were to ever happen, you would fall in line like everyone else, no matter what kind of arsenal you have.

MattC
MattC

@Quandry  I would support reasonable legislation that was geared towards better mental heath awareness in the context running background checks on firearm purchase. 


I would also support legislation that would make it free for citizens to have access to the FBI NICS Check System.  So we citizens can run background check on private firearm sales to strangers. It being free their is no disincentive not to use the system.

JAWJA
JAWJA

@Wascatlady Not so sure. Our legislators are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.  Fumble, bumble, and fail.

RickyDtoo
RickyDtoo

@Quandry You are correct. Especially regarding the turnout component. That's why Republicans initiated and support the voter I.D. requirement (when national election statistics have proven that less than one-half of one percent of voters in the entire country over the last 20 years voted illegally) and other voter suppression tactics keep vote totals low.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Yes!  Yes!  Thanks Quandry for being the voice of reasoning here.

Mr. MWAG
Mr. MWAG

THere is no such thing as a concealed carry permit in Georgia.

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@Quandry


Well, to be fair, guns do kill people. They are instruments of death that people use to kill other people.  


They are also a source for recreation though.  I like shooting stuff as much as the next person.


But you, like Antonin Scalia, are correct about the types of firearms that should be available to the population.  We could go back to how things worked in the years following independence.  Muzzle loaded firearms, bows and arrows.  On top of that we could reinstate the public armory policies as well...pair them up with firearm regulations: if you want to play with an AR-15 sign-up in the National Guard and check one out at the armory for use only at the firing-range.  

Mr. MWAG
Mr. MWAG

What mechanism is in place for GA Carry to "rake in cash"?  How would they make $ off of this?

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Jason Carter says hello and wants you to know that he voted for this bill.

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@Ulver


Then they aren't a 'nut-job.' That is what you people (how does it feel to be referred to like that?) don't get.  The mentally ill don't care about rational choice assumptions.  

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@Andy123


Piggy-backing on honested....a fetus, like an embryo, is not a human-being.  


To piggy-back on your comment though, where is your compassion for living human-beings?


This has been a source of frustration with the typical pro-life conservative for progressives.  You people care more about human embryos and fetuses than human-beings.  You want all the protections in the world for embryos and fetuses, then you don't care about what happens to the thing after birth.  Let it die, let is live in poverty without opportunity, etc...where is the compassion for the living human-beings of the world?

honested
honested

@Andy123 

The schoolchildren are live Citizens under the law.

The zygotes are not and should never be.

Deal with it.

Terry1961
Terry1961

@tinala, Your suppose to be a Teacher, and yet you miss spell Teacher? Then you form a sentence like this, (NOW YOU MONEY TO GIVE US A RAISE, SINCE YOU ARE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION.) I’m sorry, but I find it hard to take you serious, and if you are a Teacher? Next time check your message before Posting. It makes you look incompetent.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Good God.  A lib loving teacher who cannot spell and prefers to use the Caps Lock feature on his/her computer. Pray for the children in public schools.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@MiltonMan 


You have written a lot of false generalities.  Make your thinking more precise, please.  I support the 2nd Amendment.

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@MoFaux


Democratic nations use elections to change governments, not armed uprisings. 

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@Wascatlady @Ficklefan


Legislatures of course. The development of the equal protections clause has made this a pretty easy issue to deal with and prevent (or overturn) what would be considered unlawful discrimination.


That and there is near universal agreement that violent offenders and the mentally ill should not be permitted to own and carry firearms. I imagine that would be the entire list.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

...and you don't think Jason Carter would have signed it???  Thanks for once again being the clueless liberal you are.  You don't like Deal - vote him out of office.  Heck, Jason is nothing more than a con-wannabe.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

without opportunity??? The USA has more opportunity than any other country out there.  If you cannot succeed here, then you needed to be aborted. 

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Too bad honested parents did not believe in abortion.

_BullFrog_
_BullFrog_

@honested @Andy123 It is true that these zygotes are not citizens under the current law. However, at 30 weeks of development, are we not dealing with a living human being? Do you believe that the child has to take a breath before it magically becomes alive? Why stop there?  What about unwanted babies who are born with defects... should we kill them too?  Six month old children who are no longer wanted by their parents and now will be a burden to the state... should we terminate them before they have "experienced" life? 


At some point a living human being must be recognized by our laws to be what they are.  A person. The debate is at what point of development a "zygote" becomes a living human being (person). Science would indicate that this is very early in the developmental process.

tinala
tinala

I wanted to use caps to place emphasis on my statements and we will vote this crooked DEAL out of office. I'm sure that large settlement that was reached with his former Ethics Chair Stacey Kalberman,  will become an issue. If you don't want to be investigated, then don't fire that person, it will come back and bite him in his a@@! I not a liberal teacher, I'm a teacher who believes in doing what's right and having a ethical compass. What about you Milton Man?

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

@MiltonMan He may have...he may not have... Do you now tell fortunes? I bet he'd get the opinion of the AG before he signed it...not after!

Besides the Cons are in power...the buck stops there!

honested
honested

@MiltonMan 

I bet you really believe that nonsense.

You should get out more.

MoFaux
MoFaux

@MiltonMan Yes!  It's too bad that everyone who disagrees with you cannot be executed on the spot.  I wonder how many family members of yours dare to disagree with such a violent person.

honested
honested

@_BullFrog_ @honested @Andy123 

I generally put the bar at about 75 weeks.

As one who has raised screaming little ones, that makes at least as much senses as the ridiculous '30 weeks'.

MoFaux
MoFaux

@_BullFrog_ @honested @Andy123 Psst.  Abortions at 30 weeks are illegal.  Just thought you should know.  Some of your ilk would like to define "live human being" as sperm and egg, and deny any IVF procedures.  My 2 children born through IVF really don't appreciate people like that (and you too, if you're against fertility clinics) wishing they were never born.  Hypocrisy incarnate.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

...accusing me of being judgmental by being judgmental???  RoadScholar = RoadKill

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Doing what's right & having a ethical compass yet voting for someone simply because they have a (D) by their name.  Where were you when the APS teachers were cheating???  Helping cover up or showing your support for them.  I feel bad, real bad for the kids you teach.

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

@tinala Don't know if he's ethical...but his compass points toward a closed mind, judgmental, and assumptive!