Posted: 1:23 pm Tuesday, April 29th, 2014

A workplace mass shooting in Georgia’s Gun Central 

By Jim Galloway

Law enforcement officers gather at the FedEx facility near Kennesaw after Tuesday morning's shootings. John Spink, jspink@ajc.com

Law enforcement officers gather at the FedEx facility near Kennesaw after Tuesday morning’s shootings. John Spink, jspink@ajc.com

There are those who will quickly tie today’s rampage at the FedEx complex on the outskirts of Kennesaw with HB 60, the gun bill signed into law last week by Gov. Nathan Deal, which expands the areas in which concealed weapons can be carried in Georgia.

But strictly speaking, HB 60 isn’t law yet. It doesn’t go into effect until July 1.

Nonetheless, the workplace slaughter by a bandoleered gunman who then committed suicide did indeed occur in what might be called, in philosophic terms,  Georgia’s Gun Central.

The FedEx facility sits on the edge of Kennesaw, which in 1982 passed a now-famous ordinance requiring residents to own a firearm – unless they didn’t want to. Many cities have attempted to copy the ordinance. But here’s the real irony: For Kennesaw, the important result was the link to economic development — a heightened profile that lured major companies. Like FedEx. Catch up on some history by clicking here.

The Fedex workplace is also located in House District 34, represented by Charles Gregory, a Republican with close ties to Georgia Gun Owners, the most conservative firearms organization pushing legislation in the state Capitol.

The group advertises itself as the state’s only “no compromise” gun lobby. From its website:

“We do not believe in, for example, trading one right in exchange for two other rights just to achieve some sort of partial liberty. We believe in 100% firearms liberty for individuals in the state of Georgia.

“For far too long, establishment, statist, access-based gun lobbying organizations here in Georgia and across the country have sold out gun owners and liberty lovers for political expediency and personal gain.”

Georgia Gun Owners’ office is only 1.5 miles away from the FedEx facility.

Updated at 3:12 p.m.: Patrick Parsons, executive director of Georgia Gun Owners just sent this email:

Might be worth mentioning in our story the double gun-free zone sign slapped right in the middle of that picture you posted. We’ve made that a point.

223 comments
DewieCheatem_n_Howe
DewieCheatem_n_Howe

Just because I am against Guns Everywhere doesn't make me a "Gun Hating Liberal".

Just because I don't love on my guns and just consider them another tool not unlike some posting here doesn't make me an "Obama Lover".  (And we all know the substitute word there, don't deny it). 

Just because I try to apply some of the common sense lessons my Daddy taught me on not mixing alcohol and guns I can't imagine why people would even want them carried into a bar.

Just because I hardly ever go to church doesn't mean I find carrying a gun into one hypocrisy and sacrilegious to the teachings of Christ, Buddha, even Mohammed. 

Just because I don't want to live in a society where paranoid types feel the need to carry a gun around and therefore make everyone else paranoid doesn't make me the crazy. 

Just because I can I don't want to carry a gun around and confound law enforcement to challenge every cop to have the wisdom of Solomon doesn't mean I deny Constitutional rights.

Just because I think there are limits to 2nd Amendment rights doesn't mean I'm out to get your guns. 

Just because there are already more guns in the US than there are people all of the mantras repeated about them being banned, outlawed, confiscated, and so on are ludicrous. 

Just because I own 6, though 4 are inherited heirlooms, doesn't make me a superior human being or a lesser one.  

EricSchafnitz
EricSchafnitz

Remember this facility is a GUN FREE ZONE! Kennesaw GA has the lowest violent crime rate in the region, but private property can create these victim rich environments and this is the result.

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

We respect the right for someone to own a gun to protect themselves.  However, there is a 98.5% chance that the potential "perp" looks like you.  If you live in a conservative district, it is closer to 99.2%.  So remember that when you walk around with your AR-15, trying to be macho.

BigHat
BigHat

Bang bang you shot me down

Bang bang I hit the ground

Bang bang that awful sound

Bang bang my baby shot me down

    written by Charles Harmon, Shaffer Smith, Sonny Bono, c 1966

GaBlue
GaBlue

I wish the media would quit showing photos of shooters and "reporting" endlessly on what their motivations might have been -- EVERY TIME this happens!  It only encourages disturbed -- feeling misunderstood -- people to commit violence to get the attention they crave.


Show more victims, like that nice young veteran / newlywed fighting for his life in the hospital right now. Look at HIS picture, think of his family, and what a culture of revering violence is costing us.


Too sad.

centsible
centsible

How sad that we are no longer the land of the free and the brave.  We are the land of the shackled and scared.  We think we can't even go in a church without a lethal weapon.  We are a failed society.  But I have one cure for it, Stay out of Georgia.  Take your vacation time, your conferences, your tours and go somewhere else.  It's not safe and they don't need your money. 

Lynn43
Lynn43

Isn't it funny that the people calling other people bad names are those who want guns.

Lynn43
Lynn43

I know a young man that I'm really afraid will do something like this.  He has mental problems, and he is obsessed with guns.  That is all he wants to discuss and dominates the conservation.  The man in the home is an A-1 jerk who wore a loaded gun in his belt to a family party with many, many small children running around.  He has said that teaching this young man to obsess about guns will keep him from being "gay".  I think he has more to worry about than this.

Son_of_Liberty
Son_of_Liberty

Remember when all those people were slaughtered at the gun ranges? Remember? Oh, come on, you remember those times when all of those gun owners were killed by the mass murderers at the ranges. No. You don't remember? THAT'S BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED. LAWFUL OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE. You stupid, insignificant Liberal/Progressive proglodytes at the AJC (and everywhere else.)

Unlicensed Dremel
Unlicensed Dremel

Not only is it not law yet, whether it is or isn't has ZERO to do with a mass public shooting / mass attempted murder in a gun-free zone, by a non-lawful-concealed carry holder.

Stuffy
Stuffy

If only more people had heeded the new Guns Everywhere legislation then more people could have been shot today.   




Sifaka
Sifaka

You know, if the author really wanted to make the point that "All the Guns in Georgia didn't stop this", the least he could have done is used a picture that didn't blatantly display a "no guns" sign posted on the side of the building the shooting took place in. 


NickAbbot
NickAbbot

There is a very, very thin line between a lawful gun owner and a psychotic mass murderer. Period.

Sincerely,

The Justifiably Indifferent

ataloss
ataloss

The fact of the matter is regardless of any law, political rhetoric or posturing, a disturbed 19 year old hurt 6 people and is now dead. He graduated school with my son less than a year ago. No one saw this coming, or knows why he snapped. He seemed fine when another friend spoke to him yesterday after work. He always seemed cheerful and friendly. 

Georgia is also a state with many hunters, and those guns are in many households. No one has run out and bought guns just to say they have one to carry around, or because of some politician. I don't see the significance of where any office is located. I'm sure the kid shooting didn't have that mapped. Kennesaw is a very small community, by the way, so everything is close to everything.

How about some compassion for what the REAL situation is here- a family has lost a son, my son has lost a friend and we are all in shock and sadness over the whole horrible, tragic thing...and wondering what drove an outwardly happy boy to do this.

GwinnettDad
GwinnettDad

To link this event to the recent gun legislation is simply the invention of a distorted sick mind, which precisely describes the long, long litany of Jim Galloway diatribes against common, decent citizens.

Sifaka
Sifaka

@DewieCheatem_n_Howe  Well, as lame as it is, it's pretty much a 2 party system.

So, while you may think you are in the middle, such a position really does not exist in firearm legislation. 


No, "they" are not "coming for the guns" with one action. It's one law at a time. 


To quote the Brady Campaign 


"We'll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily – given the political realities – very modest. We'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law and again and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down production and sales. Next is to get registration. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and ammunition totally illegal."


So, while you may say worry over laws to outlaw, ban, and confiscate are ludicrous.,, It's just hard to believe you when there is a precedence in many states that already outlaw, ban, and confiscate. 


No matter how reasonable you may be, you are not writing or enforcing the law. Common sense is subjective. "Common sense" is typically a term used in sophist's arguments to denote that the counter argument is counter intuitive. It's a fallacy of logic to assume that just because something is commonly believed that it deacto is correct. 

Andy123
Andy123

@DewieCheatem_n_Howe

The nice part about concealed carry is you'll almost never someone around you is carrying a gun so hopefully you won't flake out and get paranoid on us.  You really should seek a behavioral health doctor about this ailment of yours.   

Andy123
Andy123

@CuriousPrime

98.5% chance or better the 'perp' will look like me huh?  How can that be if I'm white and FBI murder statistics from 2011 show blacks committed 37% of the murders while whites committed 32%?  Refresh my memory, what percentage of the US population is black?

Kelwos
Kelwos

@Lynn43  and pretty much show the worst grammar, punctuation and spelling.  lol

Sifaka
Sifaka

@Lynn43  Right... As to say the only people who fall back to insults happen to want guns.. 


Even if they where the only people using insults (and they clearly are not) how, exactly does that make their points untrue? 

Sifaka
Sifaka

@Lynn43  What are you going to do about it? You could take him out of his situation a few hours a week and listen. 

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Son_of_Liberty

Oh, come on, you remember those times when all of those gun owners were killed by the mass murderers at the ranges. No. You don't remember? THAT'S BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

 http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/justice/texas-sniper-killed/


(CNN) -- A former Navy SEAL known for claiming a record number of sniper killings in Iraq was one of two men shot dead at a Texas gun range, allegedly at the hands of a fellow military veteran, officials say.

Chris Kyle, the author of the best-selling "American Sniper," and Chad Littlefield, also a veteran, were gunned down Saturday afternoonon the grounds of the expansive Rough Creek Lodge and Resort in Glen Rose, Texas, southwest of Fort Worth, law enforcement officials said.

About four hours afterward, and 90 miles from where those two men's bodies were found by a hunting guide, authorities arrested suspect Eddie Ray Routh, 25, on a capital murder warrant.

Just sayin'.

td1234
td1234

@Unlicensed Dremel  Yep, it is illegal under the new bill to conceal carry as a 19 year. This person was carrying a gun illegally in Georgia.  

ataloss
ataloss

@Unlicensed Dremel My point exactly..so why someone pulls out an incident of a moron behaving badly, stumps me. If you read that whole article, all will see that it has nothing to do with my post...or this discussion at all.

Infantryman6502
Infantryman6502

You seem to not realize that the location where the shooting happened is a criminal only gun zone..aka gun free zone. Law abiding people would not have entered the place armed... so the result would have been the same. People waiting in line to be executed by lunatics who seem to have really bad sight! You can even see on the picture that big gun free zone sign. Guess they should make the letters bigger?

sglawson
sglawson

@ataloss - If he were black he would be a "thug," right?  But no, he is white so  lets have compassion.  Sounds like another terrorist to me, ya' think?

Kamchak
Kamchak

@ataloss  

No one has run out and bought guns just to say they have one to carry around...

Really?

 http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-gun-causes-scare-during-childrens-baseball-gam/nfhJS/

FORSYTH COUNTY, Ga. —

Parents at a Forysth County park abruptly stopped a children's baseball game after growing suspicions of the behavior of a man carrying a gun in a waist holster Tuesday night.
 
"He's just walking around [saying] 'See my gun? Look, I got a gun and there's nothing you can do about it.' He knew he was frightening people. He knew exactly what he was doing," said parent Karen Rabb.

Simply because you haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Just sayin'.

mrob
mrob

@ataloss  


I would like to know like most here to why he need the gun to solve his problem? Where did he get the gun?


We are praying for all, regardless of a dangerous gun bill. 

Kamchak
Kamchak

@GwinnettDad  

 ...describes the long, long litany of Jim Galloway diatribes against common, decent citizens.

And exactly which "diatribes" are those?

Please, be specific and show your work.

Thanks in advance.

CharlesHendrix
CharlesHendrix

@GwinnettDad  Or a preview of what is to come after July 1.  I know it is hard to understand for some of you people due to passage of this law. The pro-gun crowd throws around a lot of rhetoric but they do not like facts. Facts like in every single place that restrictions on where people can carry a gun and stand your ground has become law, gun homicides have increased by at least 47% in most places gun homicides have more than doubled. Jim is simply trying to give you people a glimpse in to the future thanks to a dysfunctional Georgia General Assembly more interested in votes than they are the people they are supposed to represent.

Jackalope
Jackalope

You never begin a sentence with a conjunction.

Lynn43
Lynn43

@Sifaka @Lynn43  I don't live near him, but I am friends with his grandparents.  I see him when he is with them or I go to their house.  Mom and the "man in the house" do not see anything wrong, and encourages this behavior.

Sifaka
Sifaka

@Kamchak  While this instance certainly discredits Son-of-liberty. I think the entire argument is somewhat of a red herring. As the right to self protection is not a defacto assurance that you are protected. However, that does not mean one should not be afforded the tools to protect oneself. Rights are not a matter of numbers, the right to self defense is not dictated by probability. 

gen3benz
gen3benz

@Kamchak  

He killed him to steal his truck. Chris Kyle was an American hero and patriot. R.I.P.

Breadslicer
Breadslicer

@Kamchak


I heard Obama was a Lizard King Alien I may have some links to back my story up.


Gonna believe me too? 

ataloss
ataloss

@mrob @ataloss As I said, hunting rifles are in many households. Many of my son's friends have hunting rifles given by parents or handed down. My husband has a rifle handed down from his great grandfather. It is a tradition. These are not thug families or violent criminals.

We as well are baffled as to why he didn't talk to anyone or indicate to even his closest friends he was in crises.

Unlicensed Dremel
Unlicensed Dremel

@CharlesHendrix @GwinnettDad  It's the leftist idgits like you who don't like facts, and are quite incapable of grasping logic:  The CCW expansion (a) requires the weapon to be a handgun - this was a shotgun, not a handgun, (b) requires a ya know, LICENSE - no license held by this guy, (c) still doesn't trump landowner wishes to prohibit guns - they can and in fact did - this was a "gun free" zone with a metal detector - their security failed.   There is so much epic fail to your "argument" that it's almost not worthy destroying as I just did.  Leftists deal only in emotion; not logic; not facts; not history; not the proven social science which unequivocally proves that more guns equals less crime.  This incident has LESS THAN zero to do with CCW laws of any stripe.

GwinnettDad
GwinnettDad

@CharlesHendrix @GwinnettDad  Show the links that prove your assertion, Charles.  Show the studies.  And if the study is from, say, the Huffington Post, or The Nation, or Mother Jones, that will identify the politics and prejudices of the so-called studies.

Sifaka
Sifaka

@Lynn43 I think this exemplifies an issue. Clearly we have a child that is in need of some help. Guns, or not, this is an individual that needs help before something bad happens. It could be a gun related thing, it could be just dropping out of school, and never making anything out of life. It could even be that this troubled young man raises the next generation of troubled young men or women that do snap. The important thing is that there is a person that needs help. What do you think you will do about it? 

Sifaka
Sifaka

@Kamchak 


I do not disagree. 


The police are in no way morally, mentally, or physically superior by virtue of title, or donning of uniform. 


An individual has the ability to preform at the same capacity. 


My only caveat is that any limitation placed on the individual, should also be placed on the police. Magazine capacity, for example. If a police officer is in no way  morally, mentally, or physically superior, then the limitations should evenly apply. 

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Sifaka

Do people have the right to carry a gun to defend themselves?

There are laws that permit this, but I am not sure this is a good policy.

In Georgia all you have to do is pass an extensive background check and pay a fee. In North Carolina, participation in a one day class is required. I would like to see a requirement for lifelong training, similar if not the same that law enforcement receives.

Sifaka
Sifaka

@Kamchak 

I am well aware of what a red herring is, but thank you for your concern. 


Perhaps I was not specific enough. Son-of-liberty"s argument is the red herring. "how come slaughters don't happen t gun ranges".. if that was true, how come people get shot in war? . The author was not afraid to make the same connection on the opposite side. I don't think referencing the area as "gun central" was  typo. In ether case, this distracts from the central issue, thus, a red herring. Just sayin'. 


Do people have the right to carry a gun to defend themselves? 

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Sifaka

I think the entire argument is somewhat of a red herring.

I think you should look up the definition of red herring.

I think his entire rant was about this not happening on a gun range and I addressed that point.

Just sayin'.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@gen3benz

He killed him to steal his truck. 

He was killed at a gun range.

Just sayin'.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Breadslicer  

I may have some links to back my story up.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

Just sayin'.

mrob
mrob

@Unlicensed Dremel


How have guns made the WORLD less dangerous? Show me the facts?


Just asking?

Point
Point

Thug families? What is thug family?

Unlicensed Dremel
Unlicensed Dremel

@mrob  And yet, you're still plenarily retarded since you think that the gun bill is "dangerous" when it's anything but; and in fact makes the world less dangerous.

mrob
mrob

@ataloss  


I surely understand the wonderful tradition of handing down a precious gift to a child. 

silentjay
silentjay

@BreadslicerZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 I don't know what orifice you pulled this out of, but a Wikipedia search shows the National Academy of Science is Indian. The entire first page. 


Got any facts?


honested
honested

@Breadslicer  

Well, at least expanded gun ownership suggest more gun nuts will commit suicide.

Breadslicer
Breadslicer

@GwinnettDad  He can't provide this you're asking to much from a low information voter. All blind emotion and hatred nothing more.


Obama shortly after the Newton tragedy ordered and gave the CDC 10 million dollars to conduct a gun violence research  and I quote...


“Year after year, those who oppose even modest gun-safety measures have threatened to defund scientific or medical research into the causes of gun violence, I will direct the Centers for Disease Control to go ahead and study the best ways to reduce it,” Obama said on Jan. 16.

It's findings??


1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

2. Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate thatdefensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:
“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:
“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”


http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1