Posted: 9:58 am Thursday, April 24th, 2014

Fallout from the new gun law — and remembering Zell Miller’s advice 

By Greg Bluestein, Daniel Malloy and Jim Galloway

The race for Gov. Nathan Deal’s job may not pivot on the sweeping gun bill he signed into law on Wednesday, but it has implications for him and his rivals.

For Deal, it helps him shore up support with the right flank of the party, which had loudly advocated for the gun rights expansion after a similar bill stalled last year. Yet some gun rights lobbies argue that it doesn’t go far enough, noting that a push to legalize the carrying of guns on campus and other broader expansions didn’t make the cut.

Your daily jolt on politics from the AJC's Political insider blogFormer Dalton Mayor David Pennington, who seeks to outflank Deal on the right, made exactly that argument before the ink was even dry. Said Pennington:

I don’t believe that giving up our freedoms makes us any safer. The crime rates in this country have proven that. As a leader, I will not rest until we are the freest nation on earth again. While Nathan touts this one bill, he purposely forgets to mention the failure of campus carry and other bills that protect our Second Amendment rights.”

State Superintendent John Barge, another GOP rival, said he was “good” with the gun bill but said it took him a while to understand the ins-and-outs of the changes. He added: “I do think it is critical for the state to effectively communicate the nuances of the new law to the people of Georgia.”

The new law could prove more troubling for Democratic state Sen. Jason Carter, but not for the reasons that might be expected.

Carter voted for the measure, as he has other gun measures during his tenure in the chamber, and proclaimed himself an NRA Democrat. And he told MSNBC this week that he believed he helped “make the bill better than it was when it first started.”

On Wednesday, Carter offered us this statement explaining his vote. It sounds a lot like what Deal told us earlier this week:

“I support the Second Amendment, and I appreciate how important this issue is to many people across Georgia. Before I cast my vote, I worked across party lines to address the most pressing concerns that were raised regarding college campuses and to ensure that places of worship have a real choice on whether to allow guns on their properties.”

Strategically, Carter may be following the path laid out by Zell Miller. When governor in the 1990s, Miller was encouraged to embrace various attempts at gun control — and always refused. Here’s a line from his 2003 book-length criticism of the national Democratic party:

“Southern voters may say they’re for gun control, and they may well be for gun control, but they simply don’t trust anybody who spends too much time talking about it. Bill Clinton understood that. Al Gore did not.”

In Georgia, most statewide Democrats have since heeded Miller’s advice. The real question is whether Carter’s position will impact his national fundraising.

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More on guns, but in the mine-is-bigger department: In 2012, U.S. Rep. John Barrow, D-Augusta, cut a highly effective campaign ad that showed off his family’s firearms.

Today, John Stone, one of the Republicans vying to take on Barrow, is one-upping the incumbent on weaponry – firing a cannon in this new TV spot, in which he also touts himself as “the only licensed firearms dealer in America running for Congress”:

Stone says the above ad is airing district-wide, but he doesn’t have a lot of money to put behind it. Stone had $55,000 on hand at the end of March.

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The better-funded 12th District Republican Rick Allen also is up with his first ad of the cycle, featuring President Obama. It may shock you to learn Obama is not portrayed favorably:

The key line:

“Obama’s big spending — it burdens our children with debt. The Bible says that’s immoral. But as a businessman, I can help fix it.”

We’re told Allen is putting $10,669 behind the ad this week.

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The all-GOP field of candidates for the 11th District congressional congress are unanimous in their call for cuts to the federal budget. But according to the Marietta Daily Journal, none of them want to see that shrinkage come at the expense of Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta.

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WSB talk radio host Erick Erickson endorsed Karen Handel on his radio show Wednesday, reprising his support from her 2010 gubernatorial race and showcasing the schism among the network’s talkers.

Sean Hannity backs Jack Kingston and Herman Cain has said positive things about David Perdue.

“My heart is with Paul Broun,” Erickson said – but he feared that the GOP establishment would target him in a runoff. That, he said, leaves Handel:

“She’s not the establishment. She is a conservative. And in my view we’ve got to stop David Perdue more than anyone else. We’ve got to stop Perdue. We need someone with a business sense. We need someone who can throw Michelle Nunn off.

“We need someone who is a conservative. We need someone who is pro-life. And we need someone — and this is key as well — that conservatives can support and the establishment won’t pour money in against.”

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For those of you who are weary of that Phil Gingrey ad showing him in a white smock and promising to repeal Obamacare when he gets to the U.S. Senate “or go home,” the Marietta congressman has a heart-tugger to replace it.

In 2005, Army Sgt. Paul Saylor was killed in Iraq. His body came home in a state of such advanced decomposition that a closed casket was required. Gingrey says he has worked to improve the mortuary treatment of U.S. casualties:

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You can’t say that Art Gardner, the Republican candidate for U.S. Senate who has argued moderation on social issues, isn’t consistent. He wants Georgia’s GOP leadership to surrender in the face of that federal lawsuit challenging the state’s constitutional ban on gay marriage. From an email:

“My rationale is that the state is very likely to lose this suit and it is a waste of taxpayer money to fight it. In this time of tight budgets, the state can better use that money for other purposes. I am a fiscal conservative, what some might call a budget hawk, and throwing hard-earned tax dollars away on fighting this suit is unwise. Moreover, it is also time for the State of Georgia and the Republican Party to get ahead of this issue. We (the GOP) are the original civil rights party, the party of Lincoln, the party that strongly supported the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

“This suit presents our party with a golden opportunity to steer a bold new course, one that will set the state of Georgia and the Georgia GOP on an upward path. I call on my fellow members of the GOP to join me in supporting the suit and urging the Attorney General to not fight it.”

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Over at Creative Loafing, Thomas Wheatley spots a payday wrinkle in the resume of David Perdue, the Republican businessman running for U.S. Senate:

According to his November 2013 campaign disclosure, Perdue was paid more than $5,000 to serve as a consultant for Community Choice Financial, an Ohio-based company whose website says it provides financial services to “unbanked and underbanked consumers” at more than 500 stores in 15 states and via the Internet in 24 states….

A Perdue campaign spokesman says the consulting gig was a “short-term” contract that “was not related to the company’s payday lending services.”

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The FEC sent letters this week to several U.S. Senate candidates in Georgia, berating them for not filing their fundraising reports on time. The problem, as the Center for Public Integrity’s Dave Levinthal lays out, is “the FEC got it wrong.”

It’s a good look at how annoying the Senate’s paper filing system can be.

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Denzel Washington and Samuel L. Jackson were among Michelle Nunn’s donors in the first quarter, Bloomberg’s Greg Giroux revealed, after sifting through the disclosure filed by the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate:

Other donors included 1988 Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and former House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt. Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California and her husband also made personal donations.

Prominent Georgians who gave to Nunn’s effort during the three-month period include Andrew Young, a former U.S. House member, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations and Atlanta mayor, and Wyche Fowler, a former U.S. senator.

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Politico magazine profiles our favorite multi-district congressional candidate, Allan Levene.

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There was a televised debate of Democratic candidates for U.S. Senate on Wednesday night, but the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer reports that something was missing:

Not once did the three candidates seeking the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate say the name of front-runner Michelle Nunn during Wednesday night’s televised debate at Columbus State University’s downtown campus….

A week ago, Nunn was in Columbus for a campaign appearance at the Whitewater Express store less than a block from where the debate was held. Nunn was invited to the Columbus debate about three months ago, and her staff declined about a month ago, citing a scheduling conflict, organizers said.

Those who showed up: retired Army veteran Todd Robinson of Columbus, former state senator Steen Miles of Atlanta, and Branko “Dr. Rad” Radulovacki, the Atlanta psychiatrist.

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Paging Randy Evans: David Pennington, the former mayor of Dalton and current GOP candidate for governor, is releasing his tax returns this morning — fulfilling a promise made during last week’s hijacked press conference at the state Capitol.

This time around, Pennington is holding his announcement at his campaign office and not outside the governor’s office. Chalk that up to another lesson learned.

 

139 comments
PoliticalOutsider
PoliticalOutsider

Since Nathan Deal has been Governor, Georgia has been the lead story on the NBC Nightly News twice. Sadly, neither time showed our state in a positive light.

The first was Snow Jam 2014 when we had thousands of motorist and school kids stranded on highways and Home Depot's while our Governor had his picture made with Scarlette O'Hara. The second time was last night when Georgia's new gun law made our state look like we are still in the days of the movie Deliverence. In fact, I think Deal may have had some banjo music playing in the background as he signed the bill.

Police officers can no longer ask to see your gun permit; we can now use silencers on our deer rifles; we can now freely mix drunk people and fire arms; we can take our guns into Hartsfield without any penalty whatsoever; and convicted felons who possess a gun illegally can now shoot someone and still claim "Stand your ground" with any violation of the law. (By the way, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon is a violation of Federal Law and cannot be usurped by idiots on the state level).

Instead of our state being the lead story on the national news for showing our ignorance, wouldn't it be nice to maybe be the lead story for something positive? Like maybe some public policy that was innovative and creative and actually improved everyone's quality of life? Or maybe one of our reasearch institutions finding a cure for cancer, or maybe for leading the nation in improvements in our public school test scores. No, I'm afraid that will not happen anytime soon. The Republicans have proven that they cannot govern. They have proven to be corrupt, to care about tax breaks for corporate Georgia, to care about the extremist's politics of fear, and they have proven their dislike for women, Hispanics, the poor, the middle class, blacks, and the uninsured.

I could not be more embarrassed to be a Georgian than after watching Brian Williams last evening.

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

1. Deal is in the national spotlight, but this means even more liberals and independents will support Carter. I want to see how the supporter are going to conceal an assault rifle.

2. So what does Joe Stone expect to hit with that cannon, if his opponent has a AR15?

3. Rick Allen the Bible says don't burden children with debt, but it also says get rid of all you own every seven years.

4. 11th District candidates forget that to balance the budget will require that military spending must be cut by 40%.

5. Did anyone tell Phil that senators get paid the same as House,

6. Perdue, Big time businessmen do not take $5,000 consult jobs, especially with a check cashing company.

7. Now we know who is running against Nunn.

8. Just because you release your tax returns, does not mean that you don't cheat.

Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

This law was not needed, it just a carrot for the hot heads.

JacketMan
JacketMan

The question no one seems to have asked is whether this new law will affect potential new business relocating their corporate headquarters to Georgia, or current busienesses headquartered in-state deciding to leave.

If I owned/ran a company, I would have serious reservations about placing my HQ in a state that passes such a broad gun bill. I would be deeply concerned that it might be extended so that weapons could be brought into the workplace next, and that is something I don't think and reasonable CEO would tolerate.

honested
honested

To make sure hard-headed customers understand, I should change the sign at my businesses to "Leave the popgun in your car or I'll have to stand my ground and call you an ambulance"?

BuckheadBoy
BuckheadBoy

On leaving the Airport this morning, I noticed that the State "Welcome" sign had been changed. It now reads:

                     Governor Nathan Deal Welcomes You to Georgia

                    Remember to Reset Your Watch to the 14th Century

mrob
mrob

Google and find out where these "dangerous politicians" own business and  stop spending your hard earn money there.  It's Plain and simple,  people!


We are eating at home and no longer entertaining outside of our home. Thanks Deal!

honested
honested

I only wish Georgia Voters paid attention to where ALL the campaign money comes from.

Since Georgia has virtually no restrictions on campaign finance for State races (yet we have a Governor crooked enough to violate even those rules), we have huge amounts of money that should make Voters enraged, if they would only look.

Deal, ralston, and the whole Hee Haw Gold Dome Gang have been and will be receiving huge sums from the NRA, gun manufacturers, the other gun manufacturer groups than the NRA, NRA members (at the constant urging of the organization) and along with that I would assume coffin manufacturers, funeral homes and cemetery owners.

This insane bill has nothing to do with 'rights' (which were in no way impinged) but it had EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MONEY!

Will the wrong-wing ever cease to kowtow to the plantation owners?

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

What is it exactly that you people think makes this gun bill so "awful"?  Let me point out a couple of things for you. 


1 - Guns are already legal in the non-secured areas of Hartsfield Jackson

2 - Guns are already premitted in GA schools.  This legislation simply clarifies who can authorize it

3 - Guns are already allowed in GA bars with the owner's permission and restaurants that serve alcolhol without anyone's permission.

4 - Churches that want to prohibit weapons have to do nothing.  They will still be illegal if churches do not chose to "opt in" and only criminals who do not obey the law will be armed in those churches.

5 - Law Enforcement Officers are already in violation of the 4th Amendment if they detain someone to check for a license without RAS that a crime is, has, or is about to be committed.     

So, what exactly is it that makes this legislation so awful?  

PoliticalOutsider
PoliticalOutsider

Hey Rock

So your logic is if the victim has been carrying a gun, he would not have gotten shot in the face 3 times? The criminal would have been scared of the victim if he knew he was armed? That's your logic?

Ok, so if 100% of the citizens were armed at all times!, your logic would lead us to the conclusion that crime would no longer exist. Surely Rock, you are smarter than that!

The United States citizens possess more guns than any other nation on the earth. According to your logic, the United States should then have the lowest crime rate on earth. Sorry to disappoint you, but that is far from the truth. Your point is idiotic.

And mixing drunks and firearms won't lead to more innocent lives being taken? Right.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@JacketMan


Exactly. Perception (of Georgia) will become reality in negative ways, which will effect Georgia's economy adversely.  Private restaurant owner, Lester Maddox, changed the perception of Georgia adversely when he burnished a gun in the faces of African-Americans who wished to patron his restaurant.  That made national news a half century ago.

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@JacketMan  

Other than churches I don't believe the GA legislature has any intention of telling private property owners what they can and cannot allow on their property with regards to weapons.    

mrob
mrob

@honested  


Before confronting that "Dangerous conservative", please asked that all patron be excuse. Lol. 

Astropig
Astropig

@BuckheadBoy  

You must still be in middle school. I'm sure your classmates find you hysterical (and creepy)

Astropig
Astropig

@mrob

" We are eating at home and no longer entertaining outside of our home.


Fine. One less obnoxious diner to listen to. Stay home.

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@mrob

Why?  

Carry in restaurants that serve alcohol has been legal in GA for several years.   

honested
honested

@Mitchellbrooks  

For items 1 and 2 include "for sworn law enforcement officials, as it should be. Anyone who doesn't have sense enough not to attempt to carry a firearm through airport security should go to jail".

Name a bar?


Why would any church want anyone with a gun other than a security officer if there had been any security issue?


Without verification, what reason is there to even have a permit?


Does that give you some ideas?

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Mitchellbrooks


What makes this law so "awful" is that it underscores the value of citizens' taking a gun almost everywhere they may go.  You are missing the political propaganda that is going on through Georgia's politicians passing this law, which may result in more citizens' deaths at the hands of quick-tempered and irrational gun carriers and gun enthusiasts.

CharlesHendrix
CharlesHendrix

@Mitchellbrooks  Law enforcement can not even request to see a permit from someone if they see them walking around with a gun. This bill does nothing to reduce gun violence. This bill panders to members of GeorgiaCarry, the organization both Jasperse and Powell, the two clowns who sponsored pushed this bill forward are members of. The pushed this bill for their buddies in GeorgiaCarry which is a definite conflict of interest. This law allows convicted felons to claim stand your ground if they shoot someone even though they are forbidden to posses guns, this defense is "absolute" under this law it was written so poorly.  If arming teachers and janitors in schools is such a good idea why not remove the screening systems and Capital police from the Georgia Capital and arm the janitors? Aren't our children more vulnerable than grown ups in the Capital buildings?  Shall I continue?

Astropig
Astropig

@MaryElizabethSings

Perception (of Georgia) will become reality in negative ways, which will effect Georgia's economy adversely. "

This is why you never trust schoolteachers with your finances.This is an idiotic statement.Georgia is the largest state east of the Mississippi.It has one of the best deepwater ports.It is strategically located along major trade routes.It has a growing and more affluent population.Its government is friendly to business.If you are stupid enough or ideologically bigoted enough to let a citizens constitutional liberties affect your decision to move here,you're an i-d-i-o-t (which, when you take out the hyphens,spells"idiot") . You probably wouldn't make very much money here anyway.Stay in Kalifornia.

honested
honested

@Mitchellbrooks  

The 2012 failed version of this bill (and I think) the initial version of this bill did.

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@Astropig @BuckheadBoy 

Yeah...because they didn't really even have firearms in the 14th Century. Duh!

Nevertheless, it was a good comment...look at all of the 'likes' it has received.

 

mrob
mrob

@Astropig @mrob  


You're right because i don't eat at no nasty Waffle House.

mrob
mrob

@Mitchellbrooks @mrob  


I rather see a armed officer or someone I know than a stranger walking around with a open weapon, dude.


No fear here, just being safe.


So lets boycott Ga! Lets find where theses dangerous people own business and stop spending our hard earned money.

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@honested

Wrong regarding 1 and 2.  Any licensed carrier can currently legally carry in non-secured areas of Hartsfield Jackson.  School principals can currently authorize individuals to carry in schools. 


I don't know why churches would want to allow armed parishioners, but as private property owners in GA I believe they should have that right. 


Without verification what good is it to have a driver's license?   A LEO cannot pull anyone over now with RAS just to check a license. No different with weapons.   


I actually don't know of any "bars" in GA that fit the definition of a bar as it relates to GA weapons laws. Most are restaurants and thus already legal to carry in.  I'm sure there might be some true bars in Atlanta, but I'm not aware of any.   Restaurant bars are not currently off limits and haven't been for several years.   

SergeantRock
SergeantRock

@CharlesHendrix @Mitchellbrooks You are indeed correct Charles.  The police have no right to stop anyone and demand papers unless we are now living in Nazi Germany or Jim Crow South. 

LEO's must have Probable Cause or Reasonable Articulable Suspicion  as determined by the US Supreme Court.  A Citizen, exercising an enumerated Right, having NOT committed any crime, or is NOT committing is NO reason for LEO to stop them or demand "papers".


You are also correct that this bill doesn't do anything to reduce gun violence.  This bill continues to restrict law abiding GWCL holders that have been strongly vetted. 

To reduce gun violence, sentence felons to a minimum of 25+ years in prison with no parole.  That will take care of the "catch and release" mentality of the Court & Penal systems.  This will take care ofrecidivists that prey on society and ignore the law.  You clearly point this out in your false interpretation of HB60 alluding that felons can use firearms.  Felons with firearms continues to be illegal and frankly I wonder where you even got that notion.  Please take the time to read the bill and a lot of misinformation will the cleared up.



Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@CharlesHendrix

This legislation does not prohibit a LEO from asking to see a permit. It prevents them from detaining and demanding without RAS.  As I mentioned, in line with the 4th Amendment.

This bill does not exempt convicted felons from being charged with possession of a firearm.  It does spell out that even convicted felons have a right to self defense. 

I don't know whether arming teachers and janitors is a good idea or not.  I was simply pointing out that it is already legal in GA and all this legislation does is clarify who can authorize it.  Currently a principal can unilaterally authorize carry.  This legislation requires that authorization come from a school board, not an individual.  

I'm all for removing restrictions from carrying in more government buildings, including the gold dome.     

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Astropig


Name calling disavows the value of your post.  Many schoolteachers are excellent mangers of money. Your biases are showing.


Btw, to readers, the U. S. Supreme Court did not uphold Lester Maddox's position not to serve blacks in his restaurant, in that his restaurant was open to the public and the public cannot be discriminated against.  Rather than serve blacks, Maddox sold his restaurant and later became Georgia's governor.


Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@honested  

The Constitution, and specifically the Bill of Rights, limits the government's infringement of rights. I have no right to free speech on someone else private property.

honested
honested

What, there are rights that exceed the absolutist second amendment position?

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@honested  


I'm not familiar with what legislation in 2012 or earlier versions of this bill that would have overruled private property rights.  Can you point me to an example.   You could be right, but it would be very unusual for the legislature to tell private property owners that they "must allow" something on their property they do not want.  

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@honested Homeschooled? Try non-schooled. Or, if he was schooled, he needs to demand his money back.

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@Baumer_1

I wonder what is next...will the next bill give gun owners a right to carry on private property where firearms are not permitted?"

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It is already legal to do this.  The private property owner can ask the carrier to leave under threat of trespass, but    It is not illegal (as in against a firearms law) to carry on private property against the property owner's wishes other than at threat of trespass if they do not leave when asked to do so.     

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@DontTread  

There's your problem! You think not being allowed to carry a firearm anywhere is a restriction on your rights...it was never a 'right' in the first place.

A restriction on 2nd Amendment rights would entail adding conditions to the ownership of a firearms. Prohibiting violent offenders from owning a firearm would be an example...so too would prohibiting the mentally ill. 

This is an interestingly divisive issue.  I wonder what is next...will the next bill give gun owners a right to carry on private property where firearms are not permitted?

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@DontTread"Right...so individual rights should be restricted based on whether you know/trust the person " 

Yeah, it's called "profiling" and the cons have been advocating for it since raygun.  Trayvonn Martin's rights were restricted in the same way

mrob
mrob

@DontTread @mrob @Mitchellbrooks  


I  never said to take your rights away. I  said who do you trust with a open weapon? no one.


Therefore you  have to carry because of that fail trust.

DontTread
DontTread

@mrob @Mitchellbrooks  Right...so individual rights should be restricted based on whether you know/trust the person or not.  Thanks for proving my point.

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@honested

You are absolutely wrong about Hartsfield Jacskon. It is perfectly legal for licensed carriers to carry inside, in the non-secured areas of the airport, not just in their cars.  

Again, I honestly do not know how many, if any, principals have authorized carry.  I am only stating that it is currently already legal and this law only changes/clarifies who can issue the authorization.  

honested
honested

@Mitchellbrooks @honested 

That is still in one's vehicle on the public thoroughfare.

Certainly not the same as 'unsecured areas of Hartsfield'.

It is probably fair to say NO Principals have authorized such an insane idea, unless they were preparing for a career change.

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@honested  



A lot of people carry openly and concealed at Hartsfield in the un-secured areas especially those picking up and dropping off passengers.  No pretending.   


I have no idea which principals have authorized individuals to carry in their schools.  I have heard some have.  It is currently legal for them to do so.  I believe this law moving that authority to the local school boards rather than individual principals is a good move. 

honested
honested

@Mitchellbrooks @honested 

What school principles have authorized weapons?

Aside from offisite deliveries and armored cars, who is 'carrying' at Hartsfield.

You are pretending.

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@honested

Sorry, you lost me.  I don't understand the "maybe as already occurring sentence". 

I do not attend church except for funerals and weddings so "you people" doesn't apply to me.  

honested
honested

@Mitchellbrooks @honested 

So you present 'maybe's as already occurring.

Why is keeping your popgun warm such a religious experience for you people?

Charles50
Charles50

@DontTread @MaryElizabethSings @Mitchellbrooks  You're an idiot. First I'm so sick of Repubs who call anyone but them a liberal.  Second,  people like you obviously think that only Republicans carry guns.  In fact, it seems that the Republican party in general does.  They seem to think that anyone else besides a Repug is a crook.  No one is trying to take your guns.  And if you walk up on the wrong Democrat, Progressive or Libertarian I think you'll find out.  

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

@DontTread @MaryElizabethSings 

I don't know about that...rich people are pretty good at getting what they want at the expense of others rights.

Just look at Wayne LaPierre. The more people murder each other the more money he makes.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Mitchellbrooks


The gun law does not keep school boards from allowing "all" teachers to carry guns.  At the rate that this state and nation is becoming more radical regarding carrying guns, that decision by school boards may well happen in the future, unless citizens are aware of and disgusted by this extremist trend to carry guns in schools so that they will refuse to allow this from happening.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@DontTread


I won't file a "lawsuit" because I am not as radical in my actions or in my thinking as you are.  I prefer to persuade others to embrace more rational and humane positions through the impact of my words.

DontTread
DontTread

@MaryElizabethSings  Well if your twisted definition of your "right to happiness" is being violated, why don't you file a lawsuit?  That'll teach the Governor to sign things without your explicit approval, now won't it?!  I'll throw a "thrown out of court" party at the conclusion of your lawsuit.  :)

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@DontTread


Your thinking does not invalidate anyone's rights, but if your thinking becomes manifested (as it has with this new gun law), then that reality does invalidate the rights of citizens to happiness when they have to live in fear of what affect guns will have on them in schools and in churches, or in any other public place which they wish to patron. 


The manifestation of your thinking (through this gun law) may even take away the very lives and liberty of citizens if they are in the line of fire of a bullet's direction. That is a very real possibility when too many people in our state are carrying guns.


Astropig
Astropig

@MaryElizabethSings @DontTread  

" Every citizen has the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," as Jefferson penned in the Declaration of Independence. "

Jefferson also owned slaves.He was one of the "1%" that you despise. He was a gun owner.You are just a political hack quoting him for short term political advantage.He would be appalled (I believe) that you claim to represent his ideals.Your kind of tyranny is what he spent his life opposing.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@DontTread


Every citizen has the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," as Jefferson penned in the Declaration of Independence.  A society made up of gun-carrying extremists is not conducive to extending the lives, liberties, and happiness of Americans.  Your extreme thinking actually invalidates the rights of others.

SergeantRock
SergeantRock

@DontTread @MaryElizabethSings@MitchellbrooksIn order to exercise my enumerated Right, I have subjected myself to local, state and national felon criminal investigation, a mental health investigation, found free of substance abuse and free from a history of domestic violence.  I subjected myself to having to prove my citizenship in my own country and had to verify I had an honorable discharge from the military. I was fingerprinted and found to be NOT pending any criminal indictments. For the please of being allowed to exercise an enumerated Right at the end of the process, I paid the state cash to allow me have this Right. 


Perhaps we should apply these same standards to the rest of the Bill of Rights to see how many Citizens would qualify to have Rights.  Perhaps the same standard should apply granting the right to free speech, religion, press, assembly, self-incrimination, search and seizure et al.


mrob
mrob

@DontTread


In your neighborhood, how  many crimes was commited within five years there?



MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@DontTread


I would not want my child going to a school in which all teachers are carrying guns.  What are we coming to as a nation?  Do you not see the extreme position in allowing so many to carry guns in schools? Don't you see that this will encourage more students to hide guns and weapons in schools?

Mitchellbrooks
Mitchellbrooks

@honested 

 "There is no 'right' to enter another's property armed with anything."

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Actually, there is.  The property owner does have the right to demand you leave or face a trespassing charge. 

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honested

@SergeantRock @honested 

There is no 'right' to enter another's property armed with anything.

Nice dodge, but you helped me to confirm there is only one groove on your record.

honested
honested

@SergeantRock  

Now, since we see where you stand on the the Second Amendment, how do you feel about the Right To Privacy and Freedom From Religion?

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