Posted: 8:30 am Friday, April 4th, 2014

Jury to begin deliberating ethics trial as Gov. Deal keeps his distance 

By Greg Bluestein

A jury is set to begin deliberating this morning in the civil lawsuit of the former head of the state ethics commission who claims she was forced out for aggressively investigating Gov. Nathan Deal’s 2010 campaign. The governor’s political opponents have been closely watching.

The above video was produced by the Democratic Party of Georgia, which labels a judge’s decision to prevent Deal from testifying in the trial as one of his few bright spots in the past week. Your daily jolt on politics from the AJC's Political insider blog

Our colleague Aaron Gould Sheinin has been in court every step of the way, and reported last night how Stacey Kalberman, the aforementioned agency head, testified she would take her old job back “in a heart beat” despite her misgivings.

No matter the jury’s verdict, expect Deal to continue to attempt to distance himself from the ethics agency. His office has brushed aside allegations that surfaced in lawsuits that the current head, Holly LaBerge, bragged of helping the governor skirt his problems and convincing him to give her a raise. His office sent over a statement earlier:

“We have no knowledge of what one employer said to another, but we can speak to the underlying facts,” said Deal spokesman Brian Robinson. “The governor has said numerous times that he has never met with Holly LaBerge, nor has she ever discussed her salary with anyone in the governor’s office.”

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Sarah Palin and Karen Handel did their best to depict David Perdue as an out-of-touch elitist on Thursday in the wake of his dismissive comments about his GOP rival’s high school education. Someone sent us over a web review Perdue wrote to try to echo that point.

It’s a review from Hayes & Hayes Outfitters, a premier dove hunting outpost in Argentina where rooms run thousands of dollars a night.

A David Perdue of Sea Island, Ga. writes:

“The rooms, food, wine, entertainment and massages were each fantastic and really complemented the hunting. The hunting was better than anything I had heard or even imagined. It was truly unbelievable. Thanks you so much for making this the best hunting trip I ever had.”

Karen Handel’s camp had a little fun with the review this morning. From campaign manager Corry Bliss:

“David Perdue says you need foreign experience to serve in the US Senate. We know that Perdue’s ‘foreign experience’ consist of shooting doves and getting massages at resorts in Argentina.”

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FoxNews talking heads took a few whacks at Perdue as well. You can take a gander at the entire clip above, but here’s a few choice quotes:

Analyst Bob Beckel: “I tell you, it never ceases to amaze me, I’ve done over a hundred campaigns, there’s always somebody who says something stupid. And you’re right, what you said at the break, men generally about women.  What is this guy thinking?”

Pundit Dana Perino: “Apparently this guy is well liked by some people in the state. But one of the reasons you have a primary is to figure out who’s going to be your best candidate to run against an opponent. This is a Republican primary we’re talking about. I think that the voters in Georgia who are going to vote in the Republican primary have their answer. Not him.”

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The biggest applause at Palin’s “surprise visit” to Handel’s event was actually for a comment the former Secretary of State made about a potential November matchup.

I would really love to see Michelle Nunn drop the ‘war on women’ on me,” Handel said.

The AP got Handel backer Sue Everhart, the former Georgia GOP chair, to riff on that statement. Says Everhart:

“Karen can go toe-to-toe with (Nunn) because the men cannot,” Everhart said. “Michelle Nunn looks like a Sunday school teacher. You go and be mean to her and people are going to say the men are beating up on her. But she and Karen can go toe-to-toe and it will just be two women in a catfight.”

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Meanwhile, the two Senate candidates who have been bombarding the TV airwaves for weeks are showing no signs of slowing down.

David Perdue is out with a new ad, which shows only a brief flash of his infamous babies and features a lot of him talking straight to camera about how he’s going to bring a “bucket full of common sense” to Washington.

Rep. Jack Kingston, meanwhile, went a little more off-the-wall with an ad imagining a voicemail from President Barack Obama telling Kingston to “back off” Obamacare.

The approach lends itself to parody, though. We’re told to expect a web-based rebuttal soon from the campaign of Rep. Paul Broun, in which House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi calls to thank Kingston “for not being like those conservatives.”

UPDATE 11:12 a.m.: Here’s that Broun parody, featuring hits on earmarks and the debt ceiling.

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MyAJC subscribers get a deep dive today on the First Congressional District primary race to replace Kingston, the first story in our statewide tour of the competitive U.S. House races this month.

Bob Johnson, a Savannah surgeon, becomes the third candidate in that race to go on the airwaves today with a bio ad in which he pledges: “I’ll fight every day to stop Obama’s liberal assault on our values.”

Here’s a snippet from the subscriber story on Johnson, the “most aggressive foil” to front-running state Sen. Buddy Carter of Pooler:

While most of the other candidates dodged when asked whether they would support John Boehner for U.S. House speaker again, Johnson recoiled as if he had bit into a lemon.

“No I wouldn’t,” he replied.

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Georgia Republican U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss voted Thursday to declassify a Congressional report about the CIA’s enhanced interrogation program that includes accusations that the methods were ineffective and the agency lied about how useful they were.

Chambliss did so not because he agreed with the report, but because he wanted the public to judge it and everyone to move on. Here’s what he told WABE-Radio’s Denis O’Hayer about it this week:

“This is gonna be a political document that seeks to move the conversation away from Obamacare as we head into the election and talk about some ugly things that happened — and I assure you, they are ugly. But when you say were they successful? Did we glean information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that helped us get Osama bin Laden? You bet we did.”

 

76 comments
LookbeforeIleap
LookbeforeIleap

Well it's not on the same level as Christie's "Bridgegate", but the story is pretty clear, Deal says if you mess with him when it comes to ethics, he will bury you.  Understandable as being Governor is quite unlike being a crooked US representative in a den of crooks, not so easy to skulk out in the middle of the night and hope no one notices.


Honorable men (and women) with nothing to hide do not try to hinder investigations into their dealings. They answer the questions put forth and produce the required documentation. This they do willingly and promptly.

Bernie31
Bernie31

What a GOOBER AD! It Screams GOOBER! GOOOBER! GOOBER! 

I am a GOOBER! 

LQQK at The GOOBER! 

Listen to the GOOBERS Voice! 

It's a GOOBER.

Bernie31
Bernie31

President Obama Would Never Call Jack Kingston for ANYTHING...This Poor People hating Goober from South Georgia is not even on his Radar for anything. Jack Who?

I can see that Smile....followed by "Get REAL".

Bernie31
Bernie31

The Verdict " I Smell a RAT!". and He Stinks.....

TrueBlueDem
TrueBlueDem

Governor Nathan Deal and Sam Olens are both looking like sh#t this afternoon. I love it.

Charles50
Charles50

Verdict in - They award her $700,000!!!

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

P.S., future Senator Kingston, the economy added nearly 200k private sector jobs last month. What is that nonsense about the ACA being a job killer really about? Misinformation perhaps?

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

Pretty sure Nunn wpuld win the war on women debate. Handel doesn't believe she has the right to her own body or equal pay for equal work. Nor does she believe in eradicating breast cancer.

honested
honested

Well, we can at $700,000.00 plus court costs to the total nathan deal's incompetence, corruption and lack of ethics has cost the State so far.


Now can we get on with the THOROUGH ethics investigation that should have already occurred (and cooperate with the Feds this time)?

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

And the plaintiff wins...

Hmmm and we were so confidently assured by AuntiChrist's favorite cub reporter that she had no case... will wonders never cease......

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

"seeks to move the conversation away from Obamacare as we head into the election" 

Silly me, I thought it was to distract me from BENGHAZI!

Bernie31
Bernie31

Governor Deal's Profound Arrogance and Non caring of the POOR & Needy of Georgia will not protect him from a promise of Jesus. Jesus says Always Do for The Poor & Needy, for they will ALWAYS Be With YOU. However, jesus also says, when You have within Your Power to Help those who cannot Help themselves and Proudly do not Lift a Finger to Help, WOE Be unto You.


Every Christian is Familiar with this Promiise...even those whom Pretend to Be Christians, know this as well. I Fear The Lord when his word is not be adhered to. I am not so sure about the Average Republican for they LEAN to Their OWN UNDERSTANDING, Always.

Charles50
Charles50

Heard the Obamacare Kingston ad this morning.  It is one of the cheesiest things I've seen in a political campaign.  I would expect something like this from a newbie not a seasoned person like Kingston.  


With friends like Sue Everhart, you don't need enemies/men.  A catfight.   

Bernie31
Bernie31

This is gonna be a political document that seeks to move the conversation away from Obamacare as we head into the election and talk about some ugly things that happened — and I assure you, they are ugly.- Saxby


Yes Hollywood it was UGLY, Inhumane and against International Law. But You ALL were SKERRRED, so that makes it Okay! 


This is How Republlicans Roll.....


uh...huh.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

Amazingly, this snuck into an AJC article about the trial (hard to cherry pick the other side when so little of it is covered):

Assistant Attorney General Bryan Webb, meanwhile, hammered at Kalberman in his closing statement. He said during the key May 3, 2011, meeting, before Kalberman and Streicker presented the commission draft subpoenas for records in the Deal investigation [after it had been closed], Kalberman acknowledged the agency had major budget problems.

Then, “she went into executive session and asked for a raise,” Webb said. “She had the gall to say the sky is falling, we’re going to run out of money and you know what? I want $5,000 more for myself.”

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

Did we glean information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that helped us get Osama bin Laden? You bet we did.”

KSM was captured in March 2003, OBL was found and killed in May 2010, more than 7 years later. That musta been some great information obtained, since it only took 7 years to find OBL.  These apologists for the bush/cheney junta continue unabashedly to rationalize that administration's total disregard for international law and common decency, in the face of all evidence and opinion that their law-breaking yielded no worthwhile intelligence.

His apologia also begs the question, if the torture was so effective, how could that administration be so  incompetent as to not find bin laden? bush's pathetic john wayne imitation assuring us that bin laden would be found 'dead or alive' was typical of his entire administration, all hat and no cattle.

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

"I would really love to see Michelle Nunn drop the ‘war on women’ on me. - Handel


Let the debate topics include:

.

1.  What were you let go by the Susan G. Komen for the Cure? 

2.  How do you lose to Ethically Challenged Deal?

3.  Do you believe in Government mandating that women must have babies regardless of the circumstances?

4.  Do you believe that women contraception is an evil abortion method, but it is ok for men contraception and enhancement products?

5.   Do you believe in equal pay for women?

6.  Do you believe that Government should not have a safety women who have been abandoned, exploited, or have fallen on hard times?

7. Do you believe that women and children should have access to affordable healthcare?

8. Do you believe that women should be able to serve in the military, and if they are assaulted that a commanding officer can decide the fate of the accused?


Handel may be a female, but she would be hard pressed in a debate to say that she is a champion for women.


DecaturDramaQueen
DecaturDramaQueen

EdUkter: Jim "fair and balanced" the Democratic video with the Fox News video just below it. Stop trying to equate media bias with allowing a Democratic video to be seen. 

DS
DS

I found a website that reported on the actual testimony from the Deal ethics trial:

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/2014/04/03/ethics-commission-trial/7276465/ 

Here are a few choice bits of testimony:

When asked if the investigation she was conducting had any political motivations behind it, Streicker answered emphatically "Hell no. I'm a Republican, I always have been."

Streicker's replacement as a staff attorney at the agency, Elisabeth Murray Obertein, testified that she was told that both women were let go because they were digging to deeply on the Deal investigation.

"There were many avenues that the commissioners did not want the agency to investigate," said Murray-Obertein.

She claimed the new agency director, Holly LaBerge, downplayed many of the allegations brought against the governor and so several of them were done away with.

"She told me just to drop it and so I did," said Murray-Obertein.

EdUktr
EdUktr

@Baumer_1  

Nunn, on the other hand, doesn't believe in her party's image enough to identify herself as Democrat in her ads.

Baumer_1
Baumer_1

Better than $20million+ on fake scandals.

honested
honested

@AuntieChrist  

I think issa exceeded even the outrageously large budget for Benghaaaaaazzzzziiiii hearings this week.

I think all that is left is to get quantum physicists to invent rationales for continuing the madness as they are probably the last who haven't been asked.

EdUktr
EdUktr

@Bernie31  

Bernie, it's truly offensive when a serial race-baiter like you quotes Scripture. Please stop.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@Charles50 "A catfight." Just shows how well everhart understands 'good-ol boy" language. Men have arguments, women have 'catfights.' Men are 'strong-willed,' and 'aggressive.' Women are 'pushy' and 'b!tchy.'

Sam_Hill
Sam_Hill

Poor little Centrist. Seeing anti-GOP conspiracies everywhere -- especially at the ACJ.  I suppose the jury that awarded $700K to the plaintiff was also part of a left-wing conspiracy?

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@The_Centrist   The other facts that our intrepid cub reporter omitted (this is from the article he quotes from:

Kalberman’s attorneys worked all week to show that the commission’s decision in June 2011 to cut her salary by $35,000 and to eliminate Streicker’s job were a response to the pair’s desire to issue subpoenas for records in the investigation.

Attorneys for the commission, meanwhile, tried to establish that the agency’s budget was in crisis and that was what motivated the cuts.


But, LeBerrge testifies:  after taking the job, Laberge hired a staff attorney and a receptionist. Laberge testified that when she took over she found no budget crisis.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/verdict-possible-today-in-state-ethics-trial/nfRxP/

The lying liars cannot keep their lies straight. They want to cut the investigator's salary by $35,000 because of "budget restraints," not because she was too aggressive in her investigation. Yet her replacement, who claimed that "the governor owes me big time," because of her 'investigation' whitewashing, claims there was no budget crisis, and in fact hired another attorney and a receptionist.

So, they claim Kalberman had to have her salary cut by $35K, due to the budget, yet her replacement claims no problems with the budget, and even has money to hire more staff, which I am assuming, their salaries will be a lot more than $35K.

I think it is time for our intrepid cub reporter to turn in his Jimmy Olsen credentials, and magic superman ring. He is not doing such a great job keeping up with facts.

honested
honested

@The_Centrist  

This just seems to point to a consistent lack of sufficient appropriations from the legislative geniuses working day and night to drive Georgia to the bottom of all standards.

It may not work but is sure is cheap!

honested
honested

@AuntieChrist  

Oh it was a crafty plan indeed to locate and neutralize the enemy.

It only cost 4 trillion dollars, destroyed the American economy, sacrificed thousands of our youth and eliminated decades of goodwill for the United States built by honoring our principles and treaties.

And they still won't begin to admit just how wrong the entire criminal enterprise was!

Bernie31
Bernie31

Karen Handel is a Vapid Shell of a Human Being. Lacking all of the esessentials that is required to walk the Hall of the People'sHouse. Lacking Compassion,Caring of Fellow Americans and The Love of a Great Nation's Freedom.

memsmovement
memsmovement

@CuriousPrime  

1. Because I opposed tricking people into thinking that they were contributing for breast cancer research only to take their donations and use them to support abortion clinics without their knowledge or consent. Do you support tricking people who do not support abortion into funding abortion clinics, Ms. Nunn? Advantage Handel.


2. Partially because I do not have the ability to trade on the accomplishments of my father, and because I did not have my state party rig the primary to eliminate all of my competition by stripping them of donations and infrastructure like you did, Mrs. Nunn. And unlike you, Ms. Nunn, I have run political races in the past and won two posts with major administrative and policy responsibility: chairman of the commission of this state's most important county, and secretary of state. What relevant experience do you have, Mrs. Nunn? Advantage Handel.


3. I support abortion in the cases of rape, incest, and where the physical and mental health of the baby are at risk, which is the mainstream position of my party and is less restrictive than the position of Georgia Right to Life. But while I respect that  you are pro-abortion, do you support the common-sense restrictions on the procedure that have been enacted in Pennsylvania that were rightfully used to stop Kermit Gosnell from injuring indigent women and murdering viable infants after they were delivered, or do you join President Barack Obama in the stance that abortion should be the only medical procedure in this country that is not subject to any regulation of any kind? And if that is your position, do you have the same libertarian anti-regulation stance on other issues, or just abortion? Advantage Handel.


4. Like the vast majority of pro-life politicians and individuals, I support contraception. Opposition to contraception is a marginal position adhered to by a very small percentage of the pro-life community who hold this opinion due to traditionalist Roman Catholic religious beliefs. Even most pro-life Roman Catholics who adhere to this belief do not believe that it should be imposed on the larger pro-life movement. Pro-abortion activists and the liberal media wrongly conflate abortion with contraception in order to avoid having to engage the abortion debate directly because it is one that they know that they will lose, so they falsely claim the pro-life movement wants to end access to contraception as a fear-mongering distraction. I challenge Ms. Nunn to name any pro-life politician who wants to make contraception illegal, or a single piece of legislation proposed on the federal level or in any state that had such an aim. Ms. Nunn cannot because none exists. Advantage Handel. 


5. Peer reviewed studies have proven that equal pay already exists for women who work in the same professions, have the same seniority level, and work the same hours as men. I oppose legislation that will force child care professionals to be paid the same as electricians, or force companies to pay women with less seniority and who work less hours the same as men and women with more seniority and work more hours. Advantage Handel.


6. The existence of a safety net has long been accepted in America by both parties and all ideologies save a fringe few, dating back even before the New Deal. What I oppose is using the social safety net as an enabler for women and men who refuse to work and who choose to indulge in self-destructive behavior. I supported the welfare reforms that your most popular recent president, Bill Clinton, campaigned on and later enacted with the help of a Republican Congress, and those reforms were very successful and very popular. I feel that one of President Barack Obama's biggest mistakes was his attempts to roll back President Clinton's most successful bipartisan domestic policy achievements. What approach do you support, Ms. Handel? The failed Great Society approach of Lyndon Johnson and Barack Obama, or the safety net reform agenda that seeks to stop the social safety net from being a snare that turns into generational poverty advocated by Bill Clinton? Advantage Handel.


7. I believe that men, women and children should have access to affordable healthcare, but Obamacare has taken us further from that goal, not brought us closer to it. Obamacare should be repealed and replaced with a true reform of our healthcare system that actually does bring affordable care to more Americans by enabling such things as the ability to buy insurance across state lines, the ability to purchase prescription drugs from Canada and sensible tort reform to drive down crushing malpractice insurance costs borne by our health care facilities and providers. Advantage Handel.


8. Women have been serving in the military for decades. Rather than driving a wedge between our male and female soldiers, I believe that sexual assaults should have the same legal procedures as crimes committed against men. I do not believe that female crime victims should have extra protections that male crime victims do not enjoy, and I do not believe that men accused of crimes against women should be placed in greater legal jeopardy that men accused of crimes against men or women accused of crimes against men should have to face. So, any reforms with regards to females with sexual assault allegations should be part of a comprehensive overhaul so that male soldiers and female soldiers will retain the same due process rights. Advantage Handel. 


Got anything else? Look, this isn't California or Maine. If Nunn runs a feminist campaign, she will not only lose the male vote, but the female vote also. 

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

@mamapostschild  Want to see a "shocked face,"  Find a Democratic video voicing an opinion on the unbiased conservative media Kyle Wingfield's blog.   

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

Good that the jury hears all of the testimony, and not just the cherry picked parts liberals are posting.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@EdUktr @Bernie31--- ahhh Little Horn. You remind me so much

someone else. I remember Now...The Anointed covering cherub.

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

LOL

This from a guy who has to use profanity to make his point....

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@The_Centrist And BTW, isn't it risible how dah centrist accuses the liberals of "cherry picking"  items that reflect their position. What we have in his comment is the epitome of cherry picking.

honested
honested

@memsmovement

You do realize that the right to vote extends far beyond those wearing religious blinders don't you?

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@memsmovement  Good job of deflection and non sequitor in your 'response.

1.  No one donating to Komen was 'tricked.'  Komen in partnership with PP supported women's health in the form of breast cancer screenings and contraception. The portrayal of PP as just an abortion mill is typical right wing deception and lies.

2. The question was how could handel be so unfavorable to voters that she lost to someone who was too corrupt even for Washington, DC. You go on a rant about Michelle Nunn. non sequitor

3. Further deflection, bringing up Gosnell, as if he is the typical MD providing abortions. I also find it ironic that in your statement regarding sound healthcare policy, you want to eliminate reform of malpractice lawsuits, yet you bring up a doctor who personifies the term 'malpractice.' The women who were injured/killed by this doctor would have little recourse to be fully compensated for his malpractice if the puppies had their way.

4. "so they falsely claim the pro-life movement wants to end access to contraception as a fear-mongering distraction."  Two words: Hobby Lobby. They claim in the case before the supremes that IUD's constitute abortion, ergo they should not fund them. " the liberal media wrongly conflate abortion with contraception in order to avoid having to engage the abortion debate directly because it is one that they know that they will lose"  Three words, Roe v Wade. They have already won the abortion debate.

5.  The new female CEO at GM is paid about half of what her male predecessors made. This is typical of executive and middle management positions where salaries are not set by established pay scales, but are instead discretionary. " I oppose legislation that will force child care professionals to be paid the same as electricians,"  Well duh, and I oppose paying greeters at walmart the same as a brain surgeon. If you think that is what the issue is, you need to be better informed.
 

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@memsmovement

“Do you think that a person who supports breast cancer research but opposes abortion should be forced to support Planned Parenthood?” No one was 'forced' to donate to Komen, and if those donating did not know where their money was going, that is on them for not doing due diligence. Anyone who contributes to a charity yet doesn't know where that org puts its money is a fool.


The original question was “ How do you lose to Ethically Challenged Deal? “ Yet you keep writing about Michele Nunn and her political connections.


“You did not address the real issue: do you believe that abortion should be the only medical procedure in this country that is subject to no regulations whatsoever. “ Any MD is subject to review and regulation by federal and state agencies and the AMA.  Your dissembling does not alter this fact. If a doctor is butchering his patients via appendectomy or abortion, he/she will have their license pulled.


“Your Hobby Lobby words are wrong”. And “you responded to my claim about lies with a lie of your own.” A lie. Hobby Lobby claims IUD's are a form of abortion, therefore they should not pay for it through a health insurance plan. This case conflates the two issues, not me.

“Making birth control illegal has never been a goal of the pro-life movement. Instead, pro-abortion advocates have merely used the contraception issue as a distraction.”  I guess you have never heard of rick, the santorum. There are others who can be found with a simple Google search, which apparently you don't want to conduct, since it might refute your own 'facts.'


More 'liberal media bias' from a bastion of liberalsim, Forbes."  This is a good discussion of the gender gap in pay. http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2013/09/19/the-geography-of-the-gender-pay-gap-womens-earnings-by-state/


Please not that I provide credible links to the comments I make, not just my own 'truthiness,' or what I want the facts to be.


ADVANTAGE AUNTIECHRIST


honested
honested

@memsmovement @AuntieChrist

One final note:

'All handel did' was manage to CUT donations from WOMEN to one of the primary CHARITIES dedicated to WOMEN'S HEALTH.

In the alternate universe, I guess that counts as a great accomplishment.

honested
honested

@memsmovement @AuntieChrist

The only advantage handel has is the talk radio job she might find after May's trouncing. 

She is probably as effective at twisting the truth as any other low-information wrong-wing nut.

NWGAL
NWGAL

Mems, you must work for Handel. You sing her praises ad nauseum. And FYI the anti abortion crowd opposes several effective contraceptives on the grounds they cause abortions.

memsmovement
memsmovement

@AuntieChrist @memsmovement  

1. All Handel did was provide a way for people who did not want their donations to be funneled towards abortion clinics to prevent them from being so. Do you think that a person who supports breast cancer research but opposes abortion should be forced to support Planned Parenthood? If you do, then you place abortion politics over breast cancer research. And that is an exceedingly immoral position. Advantage Handel.


2. That is a good question for someone who A) has run for and won elected office before, B) hasn't had the benefit of a rigged primary and isn't refusing to so much as debate her own primary opponents and C) whose main accomplishments in life is being born with her father's last name. But since this is Michelle Nunn we are talking about, there isn't a lick of evidence that she could have beaten Deal in 2012 either. And Handel wasn't the only one to lose to Deal. Lots of other prominent GOP politicians also. And so did Roy Barnes, a former Democratic governor. Is Nunn going to bash Barnes for losing to Deal too? Advantage Handel.


3. You did not address the real issue: do you believe that abortion should be the only medical procedure in this country that is subject to no regulations whatsoever. Gosnell is not a deflection, but what can happen if this industry is left unregulated. If this can happen in a place where regulations do exist but are not enforced, imagine what can happen if no regulations exist at all? And I did not say eliminate malpractice lawsuits, only enact tort reform. There are several states that have had very good tort reform laws that has not impeded the ability to sue and win large damages in cases of people who legitimately suffer medical malpractice at all. There is no reason why those successful statewide reforms cannot be imposed on a federal level. Advantage Handel. 


4. Your Hobby Lobby words are wrong. This is more deflection and dishonesty. The Hobby Lobby case has NOTHING to do with the legality of birth control. It is only about Hobby Lobby not wanting to cover birth control over their health plan. So you responded to my claim about lies with a lie of your own. Making birth control illegal has never been a goal of the pro-life movement. Instead, pro-abortion advocates have merely used the contraception issue as a distraction. Advantage Handel.


5. "Well duh, and I oppose paying greeters at walmart the same as a brain surgeon." WRONG! A stated goal of ERA advocates is precisely that: forcing equal pay for jobs predominantly filled by women to jobs filled by men. There was actually a bill submitted that would have done precisely that for government positions and government contractors at the beginning of the Obama administration. When the bill was inspected and it was discovered that it would have mandated paying female unskilled workers the same as male skilled trades, it was pulled. And the female CEO at GM is anecdotal: a single instance. (Further, the GM CEO pay is under restrictions imposed by the auto bailout. Everyone knows this, and for you to try to slip this through is simply dishonest and speaks to your personal lack of integrity. Sorry, I am not a personal attack type of guy, but your beyond-the-pale response forced me to. Knowingly make dishonest arguments will leave you open to charges of dishonesty). Far more relevant is the studies that show that female professional workers in urban areas are now getting paid MORE than their male counterparts in the same jobs. "This is typical of executive and middle management positions where salaries are not set by established pay scales, but are instead discretionary." I am sorry, but peer-reviewed study after peer-reviewed study has proven this to be false, to the point where even longtime liberal feminists like Hannah Rosin are abandoning this trope. The reality: fewer women work in higher paying positions. Women on average have less seniority because women only recently entered the workplace in large numbers. And women work fewer hours because of childcare responsibilities. Feminists have started addressing the latter by stating that men should do more childcare and housework to help their spouses advance in their careers, but that isn't a viable option for the very large number of single mothers (both divorced and never married) who today make up the majority of the female workforce in some areas. I am sorry, but there are times when liberal talking points and anecdotes run up against peer-reviewed data produced by a number of highly respected university social scientists. Advantage: Handel. 

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