Posted: 11:58 pm Saturday, March 29th, 2014

What we learned from the Senate debate 

By Daniel Malloy

SAVANNAH —  We predicted fireworks for tonight’s debate, based on a trio of polls showing David Perdue in the lead in the Senate race.

The Perdue campaign went so far as to pre-but attacks by handing reporters an info sheet on the poll results and predicting the others in the race “will get desperate and resort to their typical negative attacks.” Perdue in his opening statement foreshadowed “pandering, desperate attacks and political doublespeak.”

There was but a smidgeon.

In my subscriber-only/dead tree edition piece, I discuss the punchy Jack Kingston on his home turf. His veiled opening statement barb on Perdue was to say “no gate separates your house from my house.” Perdue lives in a gated community on Sea Island.

Karen Handel, traditionally the punchiest, likes to lump the Congressmen together in bashing Washington. But her closing added a Perdue-themed twist:

“We’ve heard a lot of talk tonight but not a lot about results. And the truth is the Congressmen have had 10 to 20 years to do everything they’ve talked about tonight, but they haven’t. And a U.S. Senator is one of 100, not the CEO of the other 99.”

Otherwise, not a glove was laid on Perdue — not even on Dodd-Frank. He had the literal outside position far stage right and continued to attack “the other four politicians” in this race for things like the fact that the U.S. has no coherent energy policy.

***

Rep. Phil Gingrey had another family values tangent. Similar to his attack on rap music in Macon, he had this to say about reaching out beyond the GOP base:

“We talk to them about traditional family values and the importance of if at all possible to have a mom and a dad, to bring you up in the way you should go, and to tell you as a youngster – as Sister Gilbert taught me, and my mom taught me – that, turn off the television. Don’t watch indecent movies and videos and things that you know are not good for you.”

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The biggest fireworks came between an unlikely long-shot duo: Atlanta attorney Art Gardner and DeKalb County MARTA engineer and minister Derrick Grayson.

Grayson took a question about tax reform and ended up turning it into an attack on Gardner that was off base considering that Gardner had said earlier that he did not want Republicans to focus on “hard-right social issues.” Here’s Grayson:

“Art Gardner wants to be a social conservative, which is not even the job of a senator. Our senators should be protecting the rights of the state, and that means fighting the federal government to get them out of our pockets.”

Gardner replied, “First of all, Mr. Grayson criticized me, but I didn’t here a single quote in response to the questions about how he would simplify the tax code.”

Then a woman in the audience yelled at him “abolish it!” Gardner continued:

“All he did was say abolish it, which gets a lot of applause. Talking about abolishing the IRS gets a lot of applause. It’s entertaining to think about. But it isn’t gonna happen. We have — the government exists. We have to fund the government. We have to have a way of collecting taxes. …

“That means we’re going to have something like the IRS and I didn’t hear a single proposal from Mr. Grayson about how to simplify our code.”

Grayson ended up providing another head-turning remark in his closing statement:

“Working with the disadvantaged, telling young black kids the system may be a little one-sided, but you don’t have to fall victim to it. You just have to make better choices. And while I may be a convicted felon, I was pardoned. While I may have made some mistakes, I’ve got a God that forgave me. And although I violated the law, it was my freedom that I lost. I never violated any of your civil liberties or your rights.”

Grayson has not been shy about his time in prison, but it’s still one that makes your ears perk up amid the talking points.

134 comments
Charles50
Charles50

Grayson will soon realize he has a snowballs chance, and being a minister he knows a little something about hell.


He's black, he's a conservative, and he's a minister.  Sounds like a winning combination except for the first point.  They let Herman Cain into the clown car and look what happened, so I'm not so sure they are interested in inviting more blacks.

Bernie31
Bernie31

what did we Learn that we already know...Republicans are GOOBERS.

hamiltonAZ
hamiltonAZ

When was it that Perdue said he favored Wall Street bailouts, but not Detroit autoworker bailouts?

mrob
mrob

Here's Peake article at Macon telegraph on "Why Georgia needs medical cannabis".

here's the link, http://www.macon.com/2014/03/30/3020123/peake-why-georgia-needs-medical.html?sp=/99/203//


I'm waiting on an article on "Why Georgia lawmakers created and passed a dangerous gun bill to allow dangerous hand guns in public places".

 "Red states are dangerous states with lawmakers equally dangerous to enact dangerous laws to drive home a point to exhibit conservatism'---mrob



AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

I believe it is this week that the trial begins in the lawsuit brought by the IT guy who was fired for not destroying documents related to nathan deal's corruption investigation. deal could finesse his way out of the so-called "ethics commission," by putting a crony in charge of it, but he will not be able to do the same with a Fulton Co judge and jury.  When the truth regarding his corruption comes out, and when john barge's swindling of $7,000 from the state becomes a campaign issue, we'll see how Nate Silver's calculations change from 70% to about 10% for the puppies.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@mrob I keep waiting for Obama to go and get these guns. The NRA, rupert murdoch puppets, and rush limbo assured me he would seize all the guns.  He needs to hurry. If he doesn't do it soon, he won't have time to seize the Bibles and get those copies of The Koran distributed. We were assured by the above named, that this would happen.

Surely they wouldn't lie to their gullible rube listeners, would they?


td1234
td1234

@mrob  Why is it that Vermont has more 2nd Amendment freedoms than the "dangerous" state of Georgia and they are one of the most progressive states in the country? 


Seems your talking points are falling apart on that little revelation. 

Charles50
Charles50

@AuntieChrist  This is the kind of stuff that could be their undoing.  Remember everyone expected us to be saying, Governor Oxendine.  And we probably would be if stories about him taking gifts from people was exposed.  


Unfortunately that also left us with just Deal and Handel and we know how that turned out.

mrob
mrob

@AuntieChrist @mrob 

lol. Yea--you right and  td123 and many dangerous reddumbicans thought Obama would take there weapons and their bible.


It so sad how a dangerous republican can be so stupid, and so stupid.


lollololol.

Charles50
Charles50

@AuntieChrist @mrob  I'm always amazed at how accurate the Presidents comments were before he was elected and how bent out of shape people were about him making them:


 "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Kamchak
Kamchak

@td1234

Why is it that Vermont...

Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry.

NWGAL
NWGAL

Td, you really like to make Vermont a liberal state. They have two senators, one independent, one Democrat. Their immediate predecessors were both Republicans. Vermont has one, I repeat, one Congressman who is a Democrat. This is a rural state, obviously since they only have one Congressman for the whole state. Rural states everywhere tend to be sympathetic to guns. It isn't a liberal conservative divide, but a rural urban one. In urban areas guns are dangerous. In rural areas, not so much. Your case is very weak.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@td1234 @mrob 

Do you tout all the laws of Vermont or just the ones that your fav pundits and websites tell you?

You are nothing but a  macaw.  You mimic what you hear or read. 


You must be Sam's long lost cousin, Toucan Dung. 

NWGAL
NWGAL

Td, I haven't done my research on the details, but since the state has far fewer people in it than many Georgia counties, their gun laws impact very very few people, unlike here.

NWGAL
NWGAL

Nobody, sorry, I didn't make a comment about Rush. Just about td's insistence that Vermont is a progressive/liberal state on gun issues when in fact it is operating as a rural state.

td1234
td1234

@NWGAL  Vermont has gives its citizens more 2nd Amendment freedoms than Georgia. 


Is that a good accurate and truthful statement for you?

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@NWGAL  

td and you comment above about Rush was too funny

You have his poster over your bed and you act as if you didn't listen to him

bwhahahahahahaha

NWGAL
NWGAL

Td, when you actually make an accurate and truthful statement, let us know.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@td1234 @Kamchak 

lolololol

Jesus doesn't like you being a liar and hypocrite so why live your life doing it all the time? 

Kamchak
Kamchak

Rationalizing, not rational.

Just sayin'.

td1234
td1234

@Kamchak  Kamspam is name calling. LOL 


It is an accurate portrayal of the poster. Besides posting on FNM he/she/it mostly only post spam. Accurate and truthful statements are not name calling. 

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@td1234 @Kamchak 

td1234

You stated that you don't call names until you have been called one.

My earlier statement that you were a liar and an hypocrite was all true.

 

Kamchak
Kamchak

@NWGAL  

... my observation is that conservatives have a very limited sense of humor.

Or, absolutely none at all.

See also Fox News' Red Eye

NWGAL
NWGAL

Kamchek, my observation is that conservatives have a very limited sense of humor. Puns and pop references are just too much for them.

Kamchak
Kamchak

...Kamspam...

Resort to name calling when you have lost the intellectual argument. So typical of td and his failed philosophy.

Just sayin'.

td1234
td1234

@Kamchak @td1234  Oh great Kamspam is he to add nothing to the debate. What is the matter are you getting bored at Bookman's with the progressive love fest. 

NWGAL
NWGAL

Td, you were the one who originally shifted into gun nutomania. My point is that your constant mention of Vermont as a liberal state is flawed. Vermont is a rural state. Guns in rural environments make sense. Heavy armaments in urban areas make no sense. All rights have limits. All of them.

td1234
td1234

@NWGAL  Move the goalpost and go on a diatribe of left wing talking points. Guess what my friend. The Constitution is clear and guns are not going anywhere in this country no matter how upset the progressive left becomes. 

NWGAL
NWGAL

Thank goodness for Atlanta. Otherwise the state would have no money and be like Alabama and Mississippi, taking much more from the federal government than paying in. Conservatives everywhere have a few screws loose when it comes to gun regulations. Your gun freedom endangers lives. The only time I've been shot at was when a neighbor in an apartment complex went John Wayne and discharged his gun inside. Guns kill. That is their purpose and they do it very well. We have more gun fatalities in this country per capita than any other industrialized nation. We love us some unborn but we love to kill actual born people. And this from someone who owns a shot gun. Semi automatics, assault rifles, those are crazy in an urban environment. Just plain crazy.

td1234
td1234

@NWGAL  You take out the Atlanta metro area and Georgia is a rural state. I do not hear my fellow conservatives in Cobb, Gwinn or N Fulton whining about the new laws so what urban (more people) areas are you talking about?   

Kamchak
Kamchak

@td1234

Yes, in my college days in the early 90's I was a founding member of the Rush listening room...

And there's your sign.

Just sayin'.

td1234
td1234

@Nobody_Knows Yes, in my college days in the early 90's I was a founding member of the Rush listening room and the valedictorian of Newt's class at my college but dang brother we have to make money at some point so Rush gets listened too every once in a while if I am on the road between 12 and 3.  

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@td1234 @Nobody_Knows  

Actually you have bragged of listening to him and being part of some Rush Club but nice try on acting as if you are not a follower

lololololololololol

td1234
td1234

@Nobody_Knows So are you saying Rish and I are saying the same thing? Excellent, that is the best compliment anyone could ever make that I think like Rush. 

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@td1234 @Nobody_Knows 

td you must  be talking to yourself because mimicking talking points Rush told you to mimic isn't being intellectual

lolololololol

td1234
td1234

@notagain  In the smoker now. Been cooking since 3 and should be great in about another hour. 

notagain
notagain

Td did you have your BBQ today???

td1234
td1234

@Nobody_Knows At least the "sock puppet" has something intellectual to add to the debate unlike the troll.

td1234
td1234

@Nobody_Knows Yes, we know you are a progressive so you are all about moral relativism and since Vermont does not fit the narrative you want to portray then it is not relevant to the philosophical talking point you want to make. No one else should be allowed to bring the topic up wince it makes your point look hypocritical.  . 

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@td1234 @Nobody_Knows@mrob 

I never said a word about the laws of Vermont

I just asked you did you tout all their laws  

Your answer more than answered my question

lolololololol

td1234
td1234

@Nobody_Knows @td1234 @mrob  You do not like it when facts get in the way of your good progressive talking points argument. To bad facts are facts. Georgia is more restrictive with its 2nd Amendment freedoms than Vermont.