Posted: 10:41 am Tuesday, March 4th, 2014

Georgia mayors say gun bill would ‘dangerously expand’ stand-your-ground law 

By Jim Galloway

Atlanta’s Kasim Reed tops a list of Georgia mayors who have sent a letter to top Republicans in the state Capitol, warning them away from HB 875, the gun bill that is now in the Senate.

The letter was distributed by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, the group established by former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg. A taste:

Most glaringly, the bill would dangerously expand the scope of the state’s existing Stand Your Ground law. Research shows that Stand Your Ground laws are associated with as many as 700 additional homicides nationwide each year. And after Georgia passed its Stand Your Ground law, the number of justifiable homicides in our state increased by 83%. HB 875 would expand the law even further to protect felons who kill using illegally possessed guns.

Also alarming, this legislation essentially eliminates the crime of carrying guns on college and university campuses. Even though the Georgia Board of Regents and 78% of Georgia registered voters oppose allowing concealed carry on college campuses, this bill would effectively force colleges and universities to allow guns on campus by taking the teeth out of the crime. This legislation would prohibit jail time and even arrest for violators of this law, allowing a maximum penalty of a $100 fine. Under HB 875, people who illegally carry guns on the campuses of Georgia’s colleges and universities would be penalized less severely than if they were caught driving 15 mph over the speed limit.

Read the entire missive here:

57 comments
lexiary
lexiary

Um, isn't the mayor of Union City Vince Williams?

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

Malcom X has been vilified by many White historians, and not given the proper credit he deserves for being a voice for Black pride, and self-sufficiency. He aided people in starting their own businesses and taught that the way to grow Black entrepreneurship was to spend their money in the Black community.To many Black folks from that generation, he was more revered than MLK.

I bring this up to make a point about something else Malcom X said that scared the bejesus out of Whites, and caused him to be labeled a "militant," a "radical" and someone worthy of being followed every step by the FBI. "When you are threatened by a White man, defend yourself by any means necessary."  This simple articulation of "stand your ground" was evidence to Whites that he was not to be trusted, that he was a 'subversive,' a dangerous radical.

Funny how these days White folks feel that "by any means necessary" means they should be allowed to carry weapons any and everywhere, but when expressed by a Black man, it meant the world was coming to an end.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

Not to worry, eventually the gun nuts will eliminate themselves through their own stupidity. Stories like these are becoming as common as indoor plumbing. Sadly, tho too many innocents will also be killed due to their Clint Eastwood complex and fear of scary Black people:

A Macon, Georgia man accidentally shot his cousin in the back when his gun slipped from his lap on Friday, according to the Associated Press.

Dominick Kantrel Howell was sitting behind his cousin in a parked car when he removed a handgun from his waist band. When the gun slipped from his lap, Howell tried to catch it and accidentally pulled the trigger, fatally shooting his cousin, Cedric Recardo Patrick Jr., according to the AP.

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Ventura Santos Mateo, 60, was in his garage teaching a friend how to clean his gun.

Investigators said he was holding a Sig Sauer pistol above his waist when the weapon discharged in the direction of the street, striking the girl in her right upper arm. The 12-year-old was riding in the front seat of the car, with her younger brother in the back seat. Her father didn't realize she had been shot until he pulled into his driveway about a block down the street.

"Surprised and distressed by the inadvertent shot, Mateo 'nervously' shot again by accident, striking himself in the left thigh," the Sentinel reported, citing police.

mrob
mrob

I  posted my following comment of this dangerous law on the article " Episcopal bishops come out against gun bill" on 1 March.

Apparently, The mayors against illegal guns may have read my comments and the dangerous Republicans law makers don't gave a crap. Well, if you some how missed my past comment on this matter, here's where I stand on this dangerous law......


This law is part II of " Stand Your Ground" in Georgia where the intent is to use deadly force lawfully in your churches , bars, and schools. A angry fool with a gun will be on stand-by waiting to exercise the right to use the guns in these establishments for the sole purpose of making a bold statement. 

Remember the Michael Dummy trial in Jacksonville?


How does the church now protects it's congregation from any member carrying a concealed weapons on the church ground during services? Hire an off-duty cop?


Do Ruby Tuesday allow patron to carry concealed weapons on it's establishment? Do they asked if you have a gun before serving alcohol? What about the outdoor concerts events full of cowboys drunk and really to shoot each other after being disrespected?


What about the young innocent 18 year old college student sitting in a classroom and hear gun shots down the hall because some kid was allowed to carry a concealed gun in the school and shot a student because they had a verbal confrontation over a cutie? People, situations as such do happen.


Furthermore, I have to agree with the bishop and many on this blog, you don't have to be bad and dangerous to carry a gun. However, there is a potential for a person to turn bad and dangerous when carrying a gun. All it takes is to have an "UGLY EGO" to take you down.


It's time to really think about being careful on where to entertain your family publicly now. I prefer doing things more privately now with invitations as necessary. As far as going to any free outdoor concerts, that's over with.


Thanks to Governor Deal and the Republican Party for all the stupid laws that you all created.

Now, what a terrible law to ask Georgians to embrace and take high security measures to protect themselves. However, this law is not intended for the highly trained educated gun purist who believe to think first before reacting dangerously with a firearm. But, this law is intended to allow the potential dangerous individual who have an "UGLY EGO" to exhibit a "happy trigger finger" of ignorance with the rights to carry a dangerous fire arm. Also, with many territorial gang members within this State, I believe our courts will explode now to handle and prosecute more cases of young minority adults for more violent gun crimes, when the law makers could have easily prevented this with more stricter gun laws and more support to take guns off ours bloody streets.


Furthermore, Georgia does not have the much needed landfill to continue to hold constant funeral services for it's crime victims killed by a ill-advised and lack of self-control gun carrying law breaker. Or better yet, perhaps this law structurally prevent a potential criminal from a life sentence in prison  to save money on building more jails for violent crime. 

Remember, the "Wrong Deal" passed a law earlier to allow courts to evaluate people with mental illness? Was this law crafted on the backside to support the appointed courts for the mentally ill that carry illegal guns and how could this law secure an insane person of a violent act with a dangerous gun? Believe me, there are trial lawyers who will use mental illness excuse as a legal defense for this law and a possible client.


As I now see it, the Republican party of Georgia and the many right-winged Christian cults have waged war politically against all Georgians, especially it's fellow Christians brothers and sisters.of the same faith in the name of "States Right". I believe a state wide boycott of churches, restaurants, and bars is needed as it was done in the 60's to get these dangerous Republicans to see and hear that Georgians life is not for sale to the NRA. 

People, this is Atlanta, the national home of Civil Rights and this is no time to act sophisticated on this dangerous law. If no other city can turn back this law, it must be Atlanta once more to reclaim it's power as the national example for the world of human rights to be responsible to change the course of political liabilities of dangerous laws to inflict harm to public safety.


There are many gun purist that support this dangerous law, but what if someday you get a call that your son or daughter was shot and possible killed in a bar, outdoor concert, or in church because a sick individual with an ugly ego decided to assume he is protecting his right to "stand his ground" illegally?  Will you think twice about this law if it were your kid?? 


If no.....you're stupid, in some respect. 

If no.......Then, then why give a good person the potential chance to run for cover while you and your loving family celebrate your kid birthday with cake and ice cream at a local restaurant from a act of gun violent from a drunken fool exhibiting states rights to "act a fool" with a concealed weapon.


Would your kid want to remember that possible terrorized birthday encounter?

 As we move forward, lets remember Red states are dangerous states with lawmakers equally dangerous to enact dangerous laws to drive home a point to exhibit conservatism.

I can say this because, I'm no Republicans politician who hold his or her tongue or morals for yes votes and bloody money.



Charles50
Charles50

Once again I'd be all for this as soon as I can bring a gun to the State Capitol.  I mean let it go through the metal detector.  But once it does, let me bring it in.  Until that happens, I don't want them on college campuses, definitely not in a bar, and not in a church unless you are part of the security team.  

Jke
Jke

Why don't we just give every adult a gun and make it legal to carry it everywhere.  Why should an 18 year old high school student be deprived of bringing his gun to school when an 18 year old college kids get to do it? Makes as much sense as this bill does.  Hopefully, the cooler heads will prevail and the grown ups in the Senate will table this thing.     

LHardingDawg
LHardingDawg

As soon as I got to Michael Bloomberg's name, I stopped reading the article.

Bernie31
Bernie31

Trust Me Kasim was very distressed about sending the Letter. For in every instance like this prevents him be advanced for the Governor's office when DADY DEAL leaves hopefully in 2018. Daddy and Mamma Deal promised 100% support of his Governorship run in 2018. As long as he keeps his Nose clean and do not speak Wrongly against Daddy Deal. So far kasim has kept his side of the promise. Lets see if Daddy Deal will keep his promises to Kasim...I do not Think so!

uh...huh

Astropig
Astropig

@Don't Tread- 

Well stated. Criminals and liberals prefer unarmed victims.

The_Centrist
The_Centrist

We see so much resistance to proposed legislation in these AJC blogs, but rarely any support.  Yet most legislation that passes the elected House and Senate gets signed into law by the elected Governor.  Who are we to believe?

NWGAL
NWGAL

Too many live in this fantasy world where they can outdraw the bad guy and their bullets will never miss the intended target. Gun fights never end well.

honested
honested

So now what, the gun nuts will adopt the motto of 'Zardoz'?

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

Milton: So 76% of the ave citizens are against carrying on campus. So why should this pass?

DontTread
DontTread

Expanding the scope of a law that protects people defending themselves against criminal attack is wrong?  Only if you are a criminal or a liberal (excuse the redundancy).


MAIG can go to hell.

MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Who cares wht Mayor Reed has to say?  This clown thinks he is much more important than the average citizen - riding the emergency lane with police escort during IceStorm I so that he could be on national TV!

PSWallace
PSWallace

In 1994 I went to the Government Printing Office Bookstore that was then on Peachtree in Midtown. Middle of the day. Upon paying for my parking, I was approached by an athletic, very fit, muscular man with a foot in height on me. He got a "donation", despite my usual blanket refusal to give to panhandlers, because his entire manner indicated to me I was very well about to be in a losing fight.

I support stand-your-ground. If I have a duty to flee in the city of Atlanta, then I have a duty to flee the city of Atlanta--a duty to myself.

PSWallace
PSWallace

In a very rare moment of somewhat concurrence--yes, the blanching at the "by any means necessary" bit was a logical disconnect between that and "and whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends". Because it is in fact, "whenever any form of government", including white ones. Or British ones. Or diverse ones.

mrob
mrob

@AuntieChrist

Great point. Malcolm was a great American and a very kind man.

honested
honested

@LHardingDawg  

I'm pleased you could read that far!

Keep trying, those big words are really your friend!

Bernie31
Bernie31

@LHardingDawg - surprised you are able to read with your spelling of the word DOG as DAWG. You must be a UGA Graduate...

uh..huh.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@Astropig - The only victims are the ones in your Head Hiding in Fear!


Kamchak
Kamchak

Well stated. Criminals and liberals prefer unarmed victims. 


James Brady and Ronald Reagan were both shot while being protected by the best armed and best trained security detail on the planet.

Just remindin'.

NWGAL
NWGAL

The politicians vote to keep their pocketbooks full.

PSWallace
PSWallace

honested 1 hour ago

"So now what, the gun nuts will adopt the motto of 'Zardoz".

Hmmmmm. Curious choice--little-remembered film of the 70s.

I think the only reason you need more brutals is if you need your civilization to die. In that case, we are on the right path.

PSWallace
PSWallace

For those living on campus, there might not be a reason--one can argue that one has voluntarily agreed to temporarily forebear certain things (this assumes campus living is not mandatory, as it used to be (for indoctrination purposes, by my lights) at Georgia Tech the *freshman* year.

However...if one is commuting, then this is pretty much a restriction on the right to bear arms, by a government entity (if a public university), without being able to use the "young people, drink, crowded dorms" rationale. Restriction, period. One must then ask if reasonble.

Hypothetical that is not so hypothetical--student parking or living off campus, walking to campus, crime-ridden area, only on campus for classes, public university. Justifiable or non-justifiable abridgement of the right to bear? Or more simply--is it an abridgement of the right to bear? If so, does carrying concealed to classes, from those not living on campus, constitute yelling "fire" in a theatre, and if so, how?

Bernie31
Bernie31

@PSWallace You were SKERRRED! Chicken! Yealla, Afraid, that is the only reason you Gave a DONATION while Trembling and soiling Your shorts...

uh..huh.

NWGAL
NWGAL

I've been robbed at gun point. A horrible experience but it never inspired me to carry a gun. I now am more careful of where and when I go.

honested
honested

@PSWallace  

What kind of poison does it build up in one who has wanted to shoot somebody for 20 years?

I'm glad you apparently don't have to come into town anymore.

MoFaux
MoFaux

@Kamchak If only Brady and Reagan had also been armed. :-)

honested
honested

@AuntieChrist @The_Centrist 

I'm sure you'll get some twisted diatribe about the 'danger of the Majority'.

In wrong-wing-world, only a confused and well armed minority is allowed to RULE.

AuntieChrist
AuntieChrist

@DontTread @NWGAL And people like you would prefer to make it worse by prosecuting the intended victim of a crime because they dared to exercise their right to self-defense.

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While people like you make it worse by sliming the victim of a crime because they dared to exercise their right to self-defense, like Trayvonn Martin.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@DontTread @NWGALwhat do you think will happen in future cases, The bad guy will assume you are packing and loaded. So why not just SHOOT YOU First and then relieve you of your valuables, while you are on the ground bleeding to DEATH. That loaded gun will not help you then.

uh...huh.

honested
honested

@PSWallace  

Never the less, the motto "The Gun is Good, The Penis is Evil" pretty much sums up the thinking of today's 'carry everywhere' crowd.

MoFaux
MoFaux

@PSWallace State employees can't carry either, nor have one in their car in the parking lot.  At least, not legally.

PSWallace
PSWallace

Absolutely correct, as always. My entire life has been absolutely devoid of deliberate enconters with danger.

honested
honested

@NWGAL  

Same here, over 20 years ago.

Amazing how a few simple choices can enhance one's safety without resorting to a popgun.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@NWGAL - Jesus did not give you the spirit of Fear...That one came from Satan himself. Praise JAYSUS!

Kamchak
Kamchak

I've been robbed at gun point.


Yeah, me too. Even if I had been carrying, it would've done me no good. It's foolish to draw against someone who has a gun already pointed at you.

PSWallace
PSWallace

Nice way to blame the victim so as to salvage your side's position. I rarely ever think about it, and I actually don't carry. I just said I support the law, for the exact reason stated.

I think the most touching part of the entire encounter was when I pulled out my wallet, started getting singles out, and he said he would take the five. You have a very nice day.

Charles50
Charles50

@MoFaux @Kamchak  So all of the trained experts failed but Brady and Reagan would have been able to save themselves?

Bernie31
Bernie31

@Astropig @Bernie31@DontTread@NWGAL- Pookie loves reading about your BRAVERY and what you will Do when approached. Now He knows there is no need in talking or resoning with you about your wallet. He now knows Just to go ahead and shoot your Wife and kid in front of you and you will forget about that gun you were reaching for. while his friend Little Dog has a .45 at the back of your head. You will then think reasoning with this miscreant was the better option instead of being a Brave Cowboy. Your WIF and Kid will still be Dead, Pookie knows he is already Dead, just not moving yet.

Astropig
Astropig

@Bernie31 @DontTread@NWGAL 

Nice of you to acknowledge that the criminal will be armed no matter whether I am or not.I'll take my chances with my .45 rather than with people like you that will let thugs off with a good talking to (and some "job training" programs)

PSWallace
PSWallace

@MoFaux There are two issues here: should state employees be so limited, yea or nay; should the citizenry as a general principle be limited by limits that apply to public servants (vice, say, limiting, as a general principle, public servants to what the citizenry can do). I am reminded of occasional arguments from the Federal employee side trying to limit military raises to what the civil side adjustments are. I am also reminded of who gets pensions, and who doesn't.

Charles50
Charles50

@Kamchak  Exactly.  I mean life is not tv.  Someone pointing a gun at you is NOT going to give you a chance to get yours out and shoot at them.  But somehow every member of the NRA seems to think so. 

PSWallace
PSWallace

Typo to mine--"I never apparently did any."

PSWallace
PSWallace

@Bernie31 "You need a class in HOOD RAT Crime Prevention. Not kind that will given by Officer Goober who too, is more afraid than you."

Well, selected residents of the city of Atlanta did try to give me one, as I just said. Still didn't stop me from walking through Techwood Homes, back when there was one, trying to do good, though it turned out I never apparently I did none.

Bernie31
Bernie31

@PSWallace - first of ALL, you never show your wallet with money in it. You need a class in HOOD RAT Crime Prevention. Not kind that will given by Officer Goober who too, is more afraid than you.

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